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Re: spray bar oiling
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#1646968
07/15/14 09:16 PM
07/15/14 09:16 PM
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Syracuse,NY
CompWedgeEngines
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Syracuse,NY
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My  .....with B1s and turbo, I'd be wanting pushrod oiling as well. Spraying the springs does provide oiling to the pushrod to some degree, but nothing like a dedicated oil thru pushrod or shaft pressurized oiling. I'd be more comfortable knowing the valve spring are staying cool with the spray bar, and the B1s are oiling the cups with pushrods or shafts.. B1s like and need the oiling in my opinion.
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Re: spray bar oiling
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#1646971
07/16/14 02:29 PM
07/16/14 02:29 PM
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Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY
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Romeo MI
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Anybody with experience and lots of run time with the common shaft t and d rockers for the b1 heads?
I've got T&D common shaft rockers on my W-2s but I
went with the short shafts on my B1 M/C heads.. I never
ran it though and sold it... but the common shafts on
the W-2s worked fine with just the stock oiling(up
thru the head)... ran them for years like that.. I
did change over to push rod oiling on my 416 when I
put the W-2s on it.. and I plugged the head oil ports
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Re: spray bar oiling
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#1646974
07/16/14 03:07 PM
07/16/14 03:07 PM
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Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY
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Master
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Thanks I understand it's either pushrod oiling or through the shaft. Just wondering if people experiences with the common shaft setup like mr pbodys. Thanks and what spring pressure did you run with you w-2 setup
Roller cam and seat is 270# and 680# open.. I run
T&Ds on all of my engines but only have the common shaft
on the W-2s.. my W-9 has the short shafts and I run
325# seat and just short of 900# open.. never had
any issue with any T&D breaking or anything like that
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Re: spray bar oiling
[Re: Al_Alguire]
#1646976
07/16/14 05:41 PM
07/16/14 05:41 PM
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Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY
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IMO the common shaft stuff is ok to a point. When you get into those kind of spring pressure I don't think I would go that way for sure. I have used common shaft stuff with open pressure around 850 not sure I would want to go further than that. From my experience anything above that and you will start to see issues with breakage. While I do not have any first hand experience I have seen it on a number of other combos. When you throw in the turbo think then IMO you need to go with the best possible parts and methods. The added pressure/heat on the exhaust side would want me to go wit paired shaft set up and pushrod oiling. IMO the only thing spray bars are good for is valvespring cooling and some added life there. Not to use as a primary method of oiling a pushrod cup.
Myself.. I would never use the spray bars as the
means of oiling the rockers and push rods.. to me
its too hard to get the oil in the rocker and shaft..
it would only gets what might drip in... granted the
T&D rockers use needle bearings on the shaft and dont
require much oil to keep them happy... this is just
my opinion but the spray bars work great for cooling
the springs... the T&D rockers I have, have a hole
going both directions from the shaft(the common shaft)
and the oil drips off the roller tip and down the
springs to carry heat away then the other hole oils
the push rod tips and runs down the push rod... I
dont know what kind of spring pressure he will be
running with the turbo set up but on the common shaft
system you have just the 5 bolts(3/8" grade 8) but
have a farther span between the bolts vs the 3 bolts
per pair on the short shaft system and they are right
next to the rocker..... just something to think about..
here's a pic of the short shaft style
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Re: spray bar oiling
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
#1646977
07/17/14 02:13 PM
07/17/14 02:13 PM
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Sweet Home Alabama
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I have run the Spray Bar oiling systems on all of my engines with ZERO problems.
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Re: spray bar oiling
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#1646981
07/19/14 12:12 PM
07/19/14 12:12 PM
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Posts: 778
Sherwood park, Alberta.
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First off , you are starting a turbo build and you say the words "don't want to pay for " LOL
1- Take what ever you think your going spend and double it .
2- leave the engine alone until the end , the engine is the easiest part of the build .
3- Mount the bare engine and heads and buy the turbo stuff to start fabrication , ( turbo , gates , charge tube , hot and cold side exhaust )don't buy a single engine internal until you are pretty much done the fab work on the car ( cage , rear end , transmittion )
4- take a picture of how much hair and what color it is before and after the build.
Don't do spray bar oiling , its just a silly way to oil anything . Push rod oiling is worth the money and is obviously far superior to spray , anyone who says otherwise is not correct .Valve train is the one department that should have no compromise for quality and reliability . I just spent about $9000 for my valve train , reliability comes at a cost .
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