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Big block cylinder head castings post #1640994
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I am starting this post to try and help clear up some confusion. There have been a few posts about various new big block heads and people seem to be confused on if they are all the same.
There are some new castings being sold by several builderst that are,members here, other castings by Procomp, and yet a different casting on EBay.
The heads the builders here have been working with I was told will be called " Sidewinder"heads.
Although they look similar to some popular heads, they have some well thought out upgrades in the castings
I was lucky enough to get a set of these castings to review and work with and thought I would share some results
I compared them to Edelbrock RPM out of the box heads and then used the same Edelbrock valves so the comparison would not be skewed by any trick valves changing flow.
First numbers are RPM heads untouched, second is a Sidewinder untouched.

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With nothing more than a minor bowl blend and rich up of the valve seats flow was over 290 cfm.
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Blended pic.

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I then opened up the pushrod pinch, cleaned up the common wall, reshaped the roof and bowl area slightly to where I would normally push an RPM casting
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Here is a comparison of a heavily ported RPM head versus what some basic work on the Sidewinder casting did for flow. I have half as much time in getting these castings to this point as I do when porting an RPM head.
I have no doubt there is more flow available in them but these received a level of work that will work great on a hot street engine they will be run on.
Thanks to Todd at CompWedge Engines for giving me an opportunity to look at these, I will be selling a few sets when all the testing is done.
I will keep people updated as the build is soon to be done and when it is I will do some dyno testing and compare these to nice set of Iron heads.
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Thanks Keith for posting the numbers on these heads! Looks like most improvement is at lower lift which should work well for a street engine.

Will you be posting the heads here (when you sell them) or do I need to e-mail you? I'm very interested in a ported set!

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I'm not sure what's more exciting, these heads potential or that there are so many new castings for BB Mopar heads kicking around that there is confusion. Thanks for sharing this with us.

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I'm not positive on my pricing yet but these castings with and without porting will be available through CompWedge and Marsh Performance also. I think there will be a couple other dealers I'm just not sure who at this point.
I just wanted to get a few numbers out there to show how nice they are
The low and mid lift flow is really good on them and I'm sure with more work upper lift could be improved upon. I just didn't want to get to big of a cross section on this set as they are going in a heavy street car.
Keith

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Are the ports 440 sized? Raised at all? What cc chamber and runner?

Very interested for a mild 383 I have that currently has stock 516's.

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They are a standard.440 port size. I will have to pour a chamber and measure it but it looks to be around the same as an RPM head @ 84 cc. I will update when I know for sure.
Keith

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Back in the day, even in Nebraska, 383s and 440s came with the same head castings. So all the ports were the same in any model year. There isn't any such thing as 440-sized or 383-sized ports. It's not like the chevy world.

Exception: In 1967 there was the 516 head and the 915 head, these were a little different in flow, and there were some 915s that had larger exhaust valves than other 915s.

There are probably some other examples that nit-pickers will focus on, so be it. One of the reasons that I like Mopars so much is that when you buy a 440 from a '69 New Yorker, it has the same head, crank, block and rods as the high-performance ones. You need to change camshaft, carburetor and exhaust manifolds. A double roller timing set and a heavy duty set of valve springs complete the transformation from regular performance to high performance.

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Thanks for the info. I may have to buy a set to play with.


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When somebody asks about port size, it is simply easier to say standard 440 port size, or Max wedge port size than it is to list every engine that came with a non Max Wedge port.

Keith

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Hi Keith,

did you do any further testing/porting?

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Actually, I have a set on the porting bench right now. Todd from CompWedge Engines and I are doing a joint venture of sorts with them. I will have a nice street/ strip 440 going on my dyno in the near future with a set of these Sidewinder heads to see how everything works out.
I hope to get some e.t. numbers shortly thereafter.
I'll update everyone as soon as I have more to tell.
Keith

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Thought you would like to see some internals.
INTAKE view...

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exhaust view....

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Quote:

Back in the day, even in Nebraska, 383s and 440s came with the same head castings. So all the ports were the same in any model year. There isn't any such thing as 440-sized or 383-sized ports. It's not like the chevy world.

Exception: In 1967 there was the 516 head and the 915 head, these were a little different in flow, and there were some 915s that had larger exhaust valves than other 915s.

There are probably some other examples that nit-pickers will focus on, so be it. One of the reasons that I like Mopars so much is that when you buy a 440 from a '69 New Yorker, it has the same head, crank, block and rods as the high-performance ones. You need to change camshaft, carburetor and exhaust manifolds. A double roller timing set and a heavy duty set of valve springs complete the transformation from regular performance to high performance.

R.




You're preachin to the choir buddy. Learned all that trivia when I got into Mopars in the mid 80's.

It's just easier to type "440" ports than "standard wedge" ports...just like "max wedge" is abbreviated as "MW". There's no misunderstanding, just lazy typing

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Actually, I have a set on the porting bench right now. Todd from CompWedge Engines and I are doing a joint venture of sorts with them. I will have a nice street/ strip 440 going on my dyno in the near future with a set of these Sidewinder heads to see how everything works out.
I hope to get some e.t. numbers shortly thereafter.
I'll update everyone as soon as I have more to tell.
Keith




Would love to hear how they run in the real world.

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