Re: Doing away with ac on 383
[Re: Bayoulee]
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If the thermal clutch fan is still working (engageing when hot) I would keep it & if it ain't working I would replace it with another MP thermal clutch fan & not go to electric. Yes get the Herbs kit Pynzo mentioned. Wouldn't hurt to k.i.s.s. and keep the same pulley ratios in there if the water pump impeller is still a 6 blader. I'd mockup & see if you could keep the same pulleys just use different grooves unless someone confirms that that will not work & that you do need non AC pulleys. Measure the diameter of the crank/wp pulleys you have now for reference then there's the depth issue for belt alignment
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Re: Doing away with ac on 383
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IIRC the wp pulley is a single belt that had an adjuster for it.Its pretty easy to change the WP pulley and the alt brackets.I used to run the AC pulley lower on y 440.Just changed the brackets and the WP pulley.Remember old BBs had an odd bolt pattern on the crank pulley.New will fit IIRc.Rocky
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Re: Doing away with ac on 383
[Re: Bayoulee]
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06/15/14 01:34 PM
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I had an A/C pulley setup on my 383 when I first got it. One of the previous owners had removed every bit of the a/c setup with the exception of the alternator bracket and pulleys. The belt system did not line up very well without the compressor and caused noisy belts and premature wear. This is why I suggested the non a/c alternator kit and different pulleys. The simple clean setup. Compare the depth of your existing wp pulley to this non a/c and you'll see what I mean about belt alignment. Also with the new kit you need to remove the inner alternator bracket held onto the side of the head w/ 2 bolts as the new pivot bolt threads directly into the head.
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Re: Doing away with ac on 383
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Set of non AC pulleys in the last listing BB section for sale.They should be what you need.Rocky
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Re: Doing away with ac on 383
[Re: Bayoulee]
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IIRc the car dosent have AC.The motor he bought does.Thats why he wants to eliminate the AC stuff.Rocky
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Re: Doing away with ac on 383
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I just saw a pair of painted wp/crank pulleys in the FS section for $35. If they are the depth you need I'd be all over em at that price
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Re: Doing away with ac on 383
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It's on the last page (5) & the 5th post up from (including) the last one. It's a PS set so the crank pulley has 2 grooves which I believe you'll need being it's going into a Fury. Dont sweat the cav issue right now.
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Re: Doing away with ac on 383
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It's highly likely that these are a matched BB set with them both being painted & all & being offered together. Ask him If he had em on a BB with PS himself as he might just be flipping them & if so (he's used em) to give you first dibs on em all in the next email as they aint' gonna last long. I'd hate to direct you wrong but I have a real good feeling on this deal.
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Re: Doing away with ac on 383
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The wp will spin slower with this setup but not a problem w/o a/c. Most replacement pumps are 6 blade a/c nowadays, just one of the parts you're gonna want to change before firing up this motor as it does appear to be untouched. Timing chain/ gear set, oil pump, water pump, fuel pump, and heat riser at a minimum to get that motor to a good starting point. You can also eliminate the heat riser for better flow if reusing the ex manifolds.
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Re: Doing away with ac on 383
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I ran a 4 pulley set on my 440 for years.It had a single pulley WP.My 65 had no ps though.IIRC the bottom 4 pulley was an AC car.If the bottom pulley is a later year you need to open one hole a bit as Ma used an odd pattern and you also have to line up all the holes on damper and pulley.The March pulleys we run come with an elongated hole to fit both.Rocky
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Re: Doing away with ac on 383
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There's a set on eBay for $95 shipped with a best offer option so yo may be able to get them cheaper. The only pulley on your 318 that'll work is the alternator. You can have my spare set of alternator brackets, pm me your address and I'll ship them out. Then you'll just need the pivot bolt/spacer set.
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Re: Doing away with ac on 383
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You could get a 3/8" bolt of the right length (coarse threads) & I'd suggest a grade 8 and likely at a hardware store you could find something to slip on the bolt for a spacer then cutdown/adj the spacer length as needed when you mock up. I'll post some pulley pics later
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Re: Doing away with ac on 383
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It would be cheaper to find a used set than what they want for pulleys.I paid lee for my March Ubderdrives.I have a set in the old garage somewhere.Havent seen them in at least 15 years though.Like I said I ran the AC lower 4 groove with the single wp pulley.It was on for 30 years and had no problems.Rocky
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Re: Doing away with ac on 383
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BB pulleys. not sure what year or if AC or not. Dimentions posted earlier
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Re: Doing away with ac on 383
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RR they arent AC.AC has 4 groove lower and usually a small wo pulley.Those look like plain lower no Ps and upper looks like dual for alt.Rocky
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Re: Doing away with ac on 383
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Yeah I spaced that that the AC is going to have the 4 crank grooves & the small WP pulley. These in the pic came from my buddys estate & he was exclusively a BB guy. I could swore I posted the dimentions of these yesterday but I dont see it in this thread so I will remeasure tomorrow as I tossed the scrap of paper I wrote it on as I thought I posted it. While looking for it I did find a prior unrelated note from way back that states The WP pulley is 5&7/8 for AC and 6&7/8 for no AC and the crank pulley is 6&1/2" with no AC and no PS. EDIT found em! I had posted them on the other pulley thread. 2 black pulleys in my pic (measured by me) they are WP 6&1/2" and 2&5/8". Crank: 6&3/16 dia & 1&3/4 total depth. which does not match what I have in that old note
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Re: Doing away with ac on 383
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I know when I ran the factory 4 bottom pulley on my 440 I had to tilt the WP pulley into place for it to fit.I dont have ps or AC so all I used was one belt for Alt.That 440 was from a New yorker that had AC.I thne went March underdrive.The kids 62 I think had 2 lower grooves.One for alt one for PS.He went March also.Rocky
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Re: Doing away with ac on 383
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We run March Under drive pulleys.I got mine like new for 50 bucks.My kid bought his at Summit clearance for like 75 bucks.Lots of guys say they make it run hot but both our BBS run 180 all day long.Look at 440 Source web site.IIRC they sell used factory pulleys.I know I have at least 1 set but I havent seen them in at least 15 years.68 should have a single belt to alt and a belt right from bottom pulley to the PS.Rocky
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