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Re: Fuel Pump Recomendation for +700hp
[Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY]
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05/20/14 02:11 PM
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Huntsville, AL
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It was in my buddy's Nova. My friend told me to buy a base, I'm tossing it. Why bother? I have three engines, less than 500hp in the car now, 650hp and 860hp. I don't think any of them need a BG400 anyways, and the nitrous in the car has it's own dedicated BG280 pump, wouldn't mind getting rid of that too !!
Car won't idle, THEN the pump started leaking. I knew the pumps were crappy, but obviously aluminum has ran through the fuel system and into the carb, it's got to come apart too. 
I couldn't find any of the debris in the regulator so it must be in the carb or it may have been sent back to the tank via the return line. My Demon also had a seperate nitrous fuel system with a 400 BG pump and it's own return regulator. I am gonna try to combine all that into a single tank and pump with two regulators. Funny but the nitrous pump was fine inside.
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Re: Fuel Pump Recomendation for +700hp
[Re: Airwoofer]
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05/20/14 04:23 PM
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Charleston
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Re: Fuel Pump Recomendation for +700hp
[Re: Airwoofer]
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05/20/14 09:51 PM
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It was in my buddy's Nova. My friend told me to buy a base, I'm tossing it. Why bother? I have three engines, less than 500hp in the car now, 650hp and 860hp. I don't think any of them need a BG400 anyways, and the nitrous in the car has it's own dedicated BG280 pump, wouldn't mind getting rid of that too !!
Car won't idle, THEN the pump started leaking. I knew the pumps were crappy, but obviously aluminum has ran through the fuel system and into the carb, it's got to come apart too.
I couldn't find any of the debris in the regulator so it must be in the carb or it may have been sent back to the tank via the return line. My Demon also had a seperate nitrous fuel system with a 400 BG pump and it's own return regulator. I am gonna try to combine all that into a single tank and pump with two regulators. Funny but the nitrous pump was fine inside.
I have debris in my carb for sure I'm thinking as it runs well but the idle is now affected. I'll pull the carb apart and have a look - maybe try to blow it out. What a pain.
I have separate BG280 for Nova's nitrous system....
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Re: Fuel Pump Recomendation for +700hp
[Re: jim sciortino]
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05/21/14 08:28 PM
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Hard to go wrong with Product Engineering, or Magnafuel.
I'm just over the 700hp mark, and run Product Engineering pump.
I sent mine in the other day to get it rebuilt after 7 years of running for about 5000 miles and regularly sitting for up to 3 and 4 months of sitting between uses. I'm told by John that is not good for them.
John at Product Engineering told me to run the pump at least once a week to keep the seals lubed and I won't have this problem again. I will do so from now on.
He also told me he tests each pump, and if it can't pull fuel from 2 feet above the fuel level, the pumps don't go out his door. I've looked around and all other pumps I've seen have to be mounted below the fuel level.
Mine is mounted above my tank in the trunk. It's a beast when it comes to flowing some serious fuel. It can fill a gallon jug in about 9 seconds.
I'm in the process of designing a different fuel system using an in tank pump with road race style 4-pod fuel pick-ups, a surge tank with another pump in it with a regulator and a return regulator at the front of the car to get the pressures down to carb friendly pressures.
This system will be virtually silent, flow enough fuel for around 1200 normally aspirated horsepower, won't have issues with cavitation or introduce air pockets into the lines when your fuel level gets low and is OEM reliable.
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1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Re: Fuel Pump Recomendation for +700hp
[Re: jbc426]
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05/21/14 08:41 PM
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I'm just over the 700hp mark, and run Product Engineering pump.
I sent mine in the other day to get it rebuilt after 7 years of running for about 5000 miles and regularly sitting for up to 3 and 4 months of sitting between uses. I'm told by John that is not good for them.
John at Product Engineering told me to run the pump at least once a week to keep the seals lubed and I won't have this problem again. I will do so from now on.
He also told me he tests each pump, and if it can't pull fuel from 2 feet above the fuel level, the pumps don't go out his door.
Mine is mounted above my tank in the trunk. It's a beast when it comes to flowing some serious fuel. It can fill a gallon jug in about 9 seconds.
How did you know it needed a rebuild? I hadn't thought about sending mine in for a checkup but since it's been sitting approximately 5-6 years with no use it sounds like it might be due for a rebuild 
Sorry to derail the original question...
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Re: Fuel Pump Recomendation for +700hp
[Re: Bigcube]
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05/21/14 08:46 PM
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I'm just over the 700hp mark, and run Product Engineering pump.
I sent mine in the other day to get it rebuilt after 7 years of running for about 5000 miles and regularly sitting for up to 3 and 4 months of sitting between uses. I'm told by John that is not good for them.
John at Product Engineering told me to run the pump at least once a week to keep the seals lubed and I won't have this problem again. I will do so from now on.
He also told me he tests each pump, and if it can't pull fuel from 2 feet above the fuel level, the pumps don't go out his door.
Mine is mounted above my tank in the trunk. It's a beast when it comes to flowing some serious fuel. It can fill a gallon jug in about 9 seconds.
How did you know it needed a rebuild? I hadn't thought about sending mine in for a checkup but since it's been sitting approximately 5-6 years with no use it sounds like it might be due for a rebuild
Sorry to derail the original question...
It blew the 40 amp fuse, and once it was replaced, the pump sounded seized.
John, the owner of Product Engineering, said the seal dries out and fails when it sits, which allows the fuel to wash the lube out of the lower bearing and then it seizes up. I'd send it in.
If you are going to store it, run some diesel through it and let it sit like that, but not through your carbs.
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1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Re: Fuel Pump Recomendation for +700hp
[Re: Dragula]
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05/21/14 11:27 PM
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I am at a cross roads and the little Eddy Pump I have gets me thru the 1/8th mile, but pressure really comes down after that, so its time for properly sized one....We are running 512 cubes and 9.80's making around 730hp on 93 octane..
Been looking at something that is easy on power usage as well as long lasting and preferably a built in filter....
Looking at a magna fuel 275, but I really like the set-up I usually use which is an Aeromotive A1000....Both pull 8 amps with a carburator...The A1000 needs an added full return system....So I am on the fence, what do you guys use?
i ran 9.80 with a cheap holly black pump 15 year ago, never had a problem.
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Re: Fuel Pump Recomendation for +700hp
[Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY]
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05/22/14 12:12 AM
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I was running the BG 225 HR as it is supposed to be for street use, with a -10 return line to the tank. I have only 3 or so 1/8th mile passes on the car, maybe ten to twelve street miles. The BG pump seized after the 2nd full power pass. I replaced it with a Mallory 250, as it has the capability to raise fuel, and my pump is mounted higher than the tank. So far so good, but not a lot of runs. Mark 
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Re: Fuel Pump Recomendation for +700hp
[Re: jbc426]
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05/22/14 01:04 AM
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Hard to go wrong with Product Engineering, or Magnafuel.
I'm just over the 700hp mark, and run Product Engineering pump.
I sent mine in the other day to get it rebuilt after 7 years of running for about 5000 miles and regularly sitting for up to 3 and 4 months of sitting between uses. I'm told by John that is not good for them.
John at Product Engineering told me to run the pump at least once a week to keep the seals lubed and I won't have this problem again. I will do so from now on.
He also told me he tests each pump, and if it can't pull fuel from 2 feet above the fuel level, the pumps don't go out his door. I've looked around and all other pumps I've seen have to be mounted below the fuel level.
Mine is mounted above my tank in the trunk. It's a beast when it comes to flowing some serious fuel. It can fill a gallon jug in about 9 seconds.
I'm in the process of designing a different fuel system using an in tank pump with road race style 4-pod fuel pick-ups, a surge tank with another pump in it with a regulator and a return regulator at the front of the car to get the pressures down to carb friendly pressures.
This system will be virtually silent, flow enough fuel for around 1200 normally aspirated horsepower, won't have issues with cavitation or introduce air pockets into the lines when your fuel level gets low and is OEM reliable.
There is a reason they say to mount it at or below
the bottom of the tank...it keeps it wet for the seals
and it will prime easier.... most any pump will lift
2'... but remember that the pump creates a negative
pressure and atmospheric pressure fills it... thats
why they all like a larger supply line going to the pump
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Re: Fuel Pump Recomendation for +700hp
[Re: Dragula]
#1621876
05/22/14 01:17 PM
05/22/14 01:17 PM
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I ran the little Aeromotive 11203 street rod pump on my 800+ hp cuda for a long time. Went 9.50s at 140 mph at 3800 lbs w/ no trouble for years. It was a dead head system.
The same pump is on my road runner now...feeding close to 700 hp.
I now run the Aeromotive A1000 pump and it works great. It feeds both the motor and the nitrous system. Only reason I changed was to go to a return style system for the street. Much better for pump gas/heat/vapor lock.
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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
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Re: Fuel Pump Recomendation for +700hp
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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05/23/14 03:44 AM
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Hard to go wrong with Product Engineering, or Magnafuel.
I'm just over the 700hp mark, and run Product Engineering pump.
I sent mine in the other day to get it rebuilt after 7 years of running for about 5000 miles and regularly sitting for up to 3 and 4 months of sitting between uses. I'm told by John that is not good for them.
John at Product Engineering told me to run the pump at least once a week to keep the seals lubed and I won't have this problem again. I will do so from now on.
He also told me he tests each pump, and if it can't pull fuel from 2 feet above the fuel level, the pumps don't go out his door. I've looked around and all other pumps I've seen have to be mounted below the fuel level.
Mine is mounted above my tank in the trunk. It's a beast when it comes to flowing some serious fuel. It can fill a gallon jug in about 9 seconds.
I'm in the process of designing a different fuel system using an in tank pump with road race style 4-pod fuel pick-ups, a surge tank with another pump in it with a regulator and a return regulator at the front of the car to get the pressures down to carb friendly pressures.
This system will be virtually silent, flow enough fuel for around 1200 normally aspirated horsepower, won't have issues with cavitation or introduce air pockets into the lines when your fuel level gets low and is OEM reliable.
There is a reason they say to mount it at or below
the bottom of the tank...it keeps it wet for the seals
and it will prime easier.... most any pump will lift
2'... but remember that the pump creates a negative
pressure and atmospheric pressure fills it... thats
why they all like a larger supply line going to the pump
I hear you, but the way my lines are routed above the fuel pump, it always has fuel in it. It also has an integral, large fuel filter canister that remains full of fuel. Even when I broke the fittings loose to send the pump in, fuel poured out of the pick-up and return lines. I always prime the pump 3 times for about 5 seconds before I crank the motor up too. I don't see how fuel is that great of a lubricant anyway.
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Re: Fuel Pump Recomendation for +700hp
[Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY]
#1621879
05/29/14 09:41 PM
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Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY
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I can say I'm not a big Barry Grant fan, when I was getting Jim's Nova running the big $$$ fuel pressure regulator stopped working. Now with minimal use his pump is a paperweight.
BG = Barely Going.....And they earned it. Seen many of their products just quit first hand....
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