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Wiring confusion. #1615147 05/02/14 06:13 PM 05/02/14 06:13 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio OhioMopar OP master
OhioMopar OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio	The car:'69 Super Bee. New wiring front to back. New light bulbs. The problem: passenger side brake/flasher/turn signal lights don't work. Tail lights do. The drivers side works fine. I took a Dremel tool and a sanding wheel and hit the inside of the taillight housings, thinking bad ground. No change. The symptoms say to me bad ground. I can see a turn signal switch being bad, but that doesn't explain why the brake lights and flashers don't work... The new harness has spade terminals on it, I'm thinking about building another ground harness to see if that helps. Just picking your brain to see if anyone else can come up with any ideas... Thanks.. 1969 Dart GTS 340 1969 Super Bee X9 N-96 1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96 2015 Dodge Dart GT 2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn. Looking for the original block for my Bee. The last 4 are 7449

Re: Wiring confusion. [Re: OhioMopar] #1615148 05/02/14 06:16 PM 05/02/14 06:16 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 518 COLLINGWOOD, ONT 71_deputy mopar
71_deputy mopar Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 518 COLLINGWOOD, ONT	they do use the same connection into the turn signal switch/harness. I'd still look there- front uses a different connection than the rear does to the turn switch.

Re: Wiring confusion. [Re: 71_deputy] #1615149 05/02/14 06:44 PM 05/02/14 06:44 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio OhioMopar OP master
OhioMopar OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio	Quote: they do use the same connection into the turn signal switch/harness. I'd still look there- front uses a different connection than the rear does to the turn switch. But would that cause the brake lights/flashers to not work as well? I'm headed out to get a test light that actually works. That will tell me a lot. 1969 Dart GTS 340 1969 Super Bee X9 N-96 1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96 2015 Dodge Dart GT 2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn. Looking for the original block for my Bee. The last 4 are 7449

Re: Wiring confusion. [Re: OhioMopar] #1615150 05/02/14 06:53 PM 05/02/14 06:53 PM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa B buildanother I Live Here
buildanother I Live Here B Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa	Have someone while holding brake pedal down, jiggle the turn sig lever a bit while looking at tailight. If it blinks on and off, chances are there is a turn sig switch problem.

Re: Wiring confusion. [Re: OhioMopar] #1615151 05/02/14 07:40 PM 05/02/14 07:40 PM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,841 MI, usa dvw master
dvw master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,841 MI, usa	Quote: The car:'69 Super Bee. New wiring front to back. New light bulbs. The problem: passenger side brake/flasher/turn signal lights don't work. Tail lights do. The drivers side works fine. I took a Dremel tool and a sanding wheel and hit the inside of the taillight housings, thinking bad ground. No change. The symptoms say to me bad ground. I can see a turn signal switch being bad, but that doesn't explain why the brake lights and flashers don't work... The new harness has spade terminals on it, I'm thinking about building another ground harness to see if that helps. Just picking your brain to see if anyone else can come up with any ideas... Thanks.. Do you have voltage at the socket? If so run a temp ground wire to the socket from the other side. No voltage? Then I would suspect the turn signal switch. The feed wire for either of the rear brake/TS wires comes from the switch. One side is functioning. That verifies that the voltage from the stop lamp switch to the T/S switch is present. Doug

Re: Wiring confusion. [Re: OhioMopar] #1615152 05/02/14 07:48 PM 05/02/14 07:48 PM
Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 290 Dayton, WA wesgtx440 enthusiast
wesgtx440 enthusiast Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 290 Dayton, WA	Is the passenger tail light housing grounded to the body? You mentioned that you hit the inside with a dremel tool, for the socket? Try hooking a jumper wire to the metal socket with it all plugged in and run it to a known good ground and see it they work then.

Re: Wiring confusion. [Re: wesgtx440] #1615153 05/02/14 07:58 PM 05/02/14 07:58 PM
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,386 Philadelphia PA Pynzo Drugs are bad
Pynzo Drugs are bad Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,386 Philadelphia PA	I had to run an a ground wire from both housings to body to get my lights to shine bright. Before I did this they grounded through my dash reverse light(4 speed).

Re: Wiring confusion. [Re: dvw] #1615154 05/02/14 08:44 PM 05/02/14 08:44 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio OhioMopar OP master
OhioMopar OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio	Quote: Quote: The car:'69 Super Bee. New wiring front to back. New light bulbs. The problem: passenger side brake/flasher/turn signal lights don't work. Tail lights do. The drivers side works fine. I took a Dremel tool and a sanding wheel and hit the inside of the taillight housings, thinking bad ground. No change. The symptoms say to me bad ground. I can see a turn signal switch being bad, but that doesn't explain why the brake lights and flashers don't work... The new harness has spade terminals on it, I'm thinking about building another ground harness to see if that helps. Just picking your brain to see if anyone else can come up with any ideas... Thanks.. Do you have voltage at the socket? If so run a temp ground wire to the socket from the other side. No voltage? Then I would suspect the turn signal switch. The feed wire for either of the rear brake/TS wires comes from the switch. One side is functioning. That verifies that the voltage from the stop lamp switch to the T/S switch is present. Doug It's looking like a turn signal switch. No voltage to the socket and no voltage to the connector from the dash harness to the rear light harness. I guess that narrows it down. 1969 Dart GTS 340 1969 Super Bee X9 N-96 1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96 2015 Dodge Dart GT 2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn. Looking for the original block for my Bee. The last 4 are 7449

Re: Wiring confusion. [Re: OhioMopar] #1615155 05/02/14 10:39 PM 05/02/14 10:39 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	The brake/turn/flashers all use the same large filament in the dual filament 1157 bulb so there is (1) wire going rearward to the (1) filament on the pass side (& one for the DR side). I would seperate the dangling electrical connector for the brake/TS lights under the column & jump fire to the (1) wire for them. No go? then jump fire to that wire under the DR kick panel. No go? going rearward there's a connector or two under the carpet & same thing seperate/jump fire to check each one till you get fire/continuity to the rear pass socket & check that the bulb filament(s)is good. that the bulb base contact to the socket is good. On the ground side that the bulb case is making contact with the socket. that the socket (as said) has continuity to the frame. If all good (& you can shortcut that procedure as needed) then the problem is in the TS switch/harness because it is recieving fire from the brake pedal switch (the white hot in wire) and directing it to the DR brake large filament & it should be firing both sides at the same time (with the stalk in neutral) live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Wiring confusion. [Re: RapidRobert] #1615156 05/03/14 12:30 AM 05/03/14 12:30 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio OhioMopar OP master
OhioMopar OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio	I'm not getting any juice to the connection at the kick panel. I started forward, but I haven't got under the dash yet. The turn signal switch looks to be pretty expensive, so I'm going to try to track it down some more before I spend the green. 1969 Dart GTS 340 1969 Super Bee X9 N-96 1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96 2015 Dodge Dart GT 2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn. Looking for the original block for my Bee. The last 4 are 7449

Re: Wiring confusion. [Re: OhioMopar] #1615157 05/03/14 12:33 AM 05/03/14 12:33 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	Expensive & a pain to swap in the column so definitely ohm it out before you order anything. I'd get on the col half of the dangling connector & see what you get for continuities. live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Wiring confusion. [Re: RapidRobert] #1615158 05/03/14 12:38 AM 05/03/14 12:38 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio OhioMopar OP master
OhioMopar OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio	Will do. I have to get under that and put in some bulbs for the dash. So while I'm there... 1969 Dart GTS 340 1969 Super Bee X9 N-96 1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96 2015 Dodge Dart GT 2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn. Looking for the original block for my Bee. The last 4 are 7449

Re: Wiring confusion. [Re: OhioMopar] #1615159 05/03/14 07:01 PM 05/03/14 07:01 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio OhioMopar OP master
OhioMopar OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio	I did some thinking and just spitballing here... If the right side front signal works, would that mean the switch isn't bad? It clearly runs something. Maybe I'm not up to snuff on what is connected where, but the flasher/turn signal and brake switches are all interconnected somewhere? Everything else works except for the right side rear turn signal/flasher/brake lights. I'm not grasping something here. 1969 Dart GTS 340 1969 Super Bee X9 N-96 1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96 2015 Dodge Dart GT 2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn. Looking for the original block for my Bee. The last 4 are 7449

Re: Wiring confusion. [Re: OhioMopar] #1615160 05/03/14 07:48 PM 05/03/14 07:48 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 518 COLLINGWOOD, ONT 71_deputy mopar
71_deputy mopar Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 518 COLLINGWOOD, ONT	you need wiring diagrams to trace out the power http://www.mymopar.com/downloads/1969/69CoronetA.JPG http://www.mymopar.com/downloads/1969/69CoronetB.JPG

Re: Wiring confusion. [Re: 71_deputy] #1615161 05/03/14 07:51 PM 05/03/14 07:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,934 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,934 Grand Prairie,Texas	The wiring to the front and rear side to side splits in the turn signal switch. Just because some of the lights works doesn't mean the switch is good. Everything is interconnected in the turn signal switch. I have fixed plenty of these kinds of problems with a new turn signal switch CAM available at most parts stores. Be sure to read and follow the instructions to the letter because you will need to trim the wire whiskers on the new cam exactly like the original ones. http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/search...&vi=1082124

Re: Wiring confusion. [Re: 71_deputy] #1615162 05/03/14 09:25 PM 05/03/14 09:25 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio OhioMopar OP master
OhioMopar OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio	Quote: you need wiring diagrams to trace out the power http://www.mymopar.com/downloads/1969/69CoronetA.JPG http://www.mymopar.com/downloads/1969/69CoronetB.JPG Those are the ones I've been using! 1969 Dart GTS 340 1969 Super Bee X9 N-96 1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96 2015 Dodge Dart GT 2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn. Looking for the original block for my Bee. The last 4 are 7449

Re: Wiring confusion. [Re: stumpy] #1615163 05/03/14 09:26 PM 05/03/14 09:26 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio OhioMopar OP master
OhioMopar OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio	That's what I was wondering. That explains it. The cam seems good, but a trip inside the column is coming, it seems. 1969 Dart GTS 340 1969 Super Bee X9 N-96 1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96 2015 Dodge Dart GT 2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn. Looking for the original block for my Bee. The last 4 are 7449

Re: Wiring confusion. [Re: OhioMopar] #1615164 05/03/14 10:16 PM 05/03/14 10:16 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,028 NB, Canada M moparfan53 super stock
moparfan53 super stock M Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,028 NB, Canada	Quote: That's what I was wondering. That explains it. The cam seems good, but a trip inside the column is coming, it seems. The article below might confirm if you need to make that trip.

Re: Wiring confusion. [Re: moparfan53] #1615165 05/03/14 10:22 PM 05/03/14 10:22 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio OhioMopar OP master
OhioMopar OP master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio	Quote: Quote: That's what I was wondering. That explains it. The cam seems good, but a trip inside the column is coming, it seems. The article below might confirm if you need to make that trip. That's awesome! Thank you! 1969 Dart GTS 340 1969 Super Bee X9 N-96 1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96 2015 Dodge Dart GT 2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn. Looking for the original block for my Bee. The last 4 are 7449

Re: Wiring confusion. [Re: OhioMopar] #1615166 05/04/14 02:52 PM 05/04/14 02:52 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,028 NB, Canada M moparfan53 super stock
moparfan53 super stock M Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,028 NB, Canada	Quote: That's awesome! Thank you! Glad to help. Let us know what you find.

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