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Accusump q's #1596751
03/22/14 05:42 PM
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Anybody running an accusump? do you use the oneway valve? Thanks.


'74 Challenger..9.46 @ 145.9 1/4, 6.001 @ 118 1/8 so far. 4023lb !!! # N/A, Marsh performance 655ci, Indy Maxx, T/R, Indy 600-13 X's, Street legal, pump gas, full interior, Cal-Tracs, mufflers, 3:73's and real 10.5 radials.
9.51 @ 142.4 1/4, 6.003 @ 114 1/8 with our old mule KB, 572-13, 580 wedge.
RHD '68 Barracuda Fastback 323ci street/strip. Best ET 13.88 @ 99.03
Re: Accusump q's [Re: Tig] #1596752
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installed one on a friends car think it was a canton iirc. had the electric valve that acts as a check until the valve is either automatically or manually powered on. what is your question?

Re: Accusump q's [Re: Tig] #1596753
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We use an electric selenoid valve so we can control it from in the car.

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Re: Accusump q's [Re: jamesc] #1596754
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i only use a shutoff valve for the end of racing so i can prelube before the next meetings restart. with the car on a transbrake it's full before i leave the line & my oil pressure only drops below the 40 psi preset when i nearly stop at the entrance to the return road back to the pit.

Re: Accusump q's [Re: Tig] #1596755
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Anybody running an accusump? do you use the oneway valve? Thanks.


I would use a check valve in the T if it was me. IMO that is peace of mind that when and if the time comes that it is needed the oil has no choice but to head toward the bearings. I think i'm going to mount mine under the dash and just use a manual valve that I KNOW wont fail.


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Re: Accusump q's [Re: B G Racing] #1596756
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We use an electric selenoid valve so we can control it from in the car.




This ^. Works great on my Altered. Kinda like a poor man's dry sump......

Re: Accusump q's [Re: 72Swinger] #1596757
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Anybody running an accusump? do you use the oneway valve? Thanks.


I would use a check valve in the T if it was me. IMO that is peace of mind that when and if the time comes that it is needed the oil has no choice but to head toward the bearings. I think i'm going to mount mine under the dash and just use a manual valve that I KNOW wont fail.


I don't think NHRA tech. will alow that Same thing on fuel lines in the cockpit


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Re: Accusump q's [Re: Cab_Burge] #1596758
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Anybody running an accusump? do you use the oneway valve? Thanks.


I would use a check valve in the T if it was me. IMO that is peace of mind that when and if the time comes that it is needed the oil has no choice but to head toward the bearings. I think i'm going to mount mine under the dash and just use a manual valve that I KNOW wont fail.


I don't think NHRA tech. will alow that Same thing on fuel lines in the cockpit


You may be right Cab, my thinking is a mechanical oil pressure in the cockpit is allowed so why not an accusump? I know Road Course cars have them in the cockpit.


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Re: Accusump q's [Re: 72Swinger] #1596759
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Anybody running an accusump? do you use the oneway valve? Thanks.


I would use a check valve in the T if it was me. IMO that is peace of mind that when and if the time comes that it is needed the oil has no choice but to head toward the bearings. I think i'm going to mount mine under the dash and just use a manual valve that I KNOW wont fail.


I don't think NHRA tech. will alow that Same thing on fuel lines in the cockpit


You may be right Cab, my thinking is a mechanical oil pressure in the cockpit is allowed so why not an accusump? I know Road Course cars have them in the cockpit.



how about rigging up a remote rod/cable to the manual valve under the hood and have the activator end attached/through the dash ? should be pretty simple to do.

Re: Accusump q's [Re: moparx] #1596760
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how about rigging up a remote rod/cable to the manual valve under the hood and have the activator end attached/through the dash ? should be pretty simple to do.




Canton sell a kit to do the exact same thing, which I have No oil/fuel in drivers cabin


'74 Challenger..9.46 @ 145.9 1/4, 6.001 @ 118 1/8 so far. 4023lb !!! # N/A, Marsh performance 655ci, Indy Maxx, T/R, Indy 600-13 X's, Street legal, pump gas, full interior, Cal-Tracs, mufflers, 3:73's and real 10.5 radials.
9.51 @ 142.4 1/4, 6.003 @ 114 1/8 with our old mule KB, 572-13, 580 wedge.
RHD '68 Barracuda Fastback 323ci street/strip. Best ET 13.88 @ 99.03
Re: Accusump q's [Re: Tig] #1596761
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I used the cable kit from Canton. They said it has a faster discharge and fill rate than the electric valve. I can't see how a one-way valve could work. Oil needs to flow both ways.


Re: Accusump q's [Re: moparx] #1596762
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When I use to run one I had the electric valve... anytime
the master switch I had in the cockpit was on it worked...
the switch turned on my power to the switch panel..
once it was on it opened the valve... it would dump
first thing on every start up then it would fill when
driving up to the lanes
EDIT
I later put it on its own switch to dump it when I
wanted but the switch was on for every pass

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Re: Accusump q's [Re: PLUM BAD] #1596763
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I used the cable kit from Canton. They said it has a faster discharge and fill rate than the electric valve. I can't see how a one-way valve could work. Oil needs to flow both ways.






I am manual right now,but I like the cable deal

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Just use one of these.. super cheap, hook it up to a toggle switch and call it done..

DFD 1/2" NPT 170psi Brass Normally Closed Solenoid Valve NBR Gas Air Water Oil

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I used the cable kit from Canton. They said it has a faster discharge and fill rate than the electric valve. I can't see how a one-way valve could work. Oil needs to flow both ways.





When the oil is needed what is to say the majority wont go back to the pump instead of the engine? That is the reason for the check valve.
http://gt4motorsport.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/accusump_plumbing.png


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Re: Accusump q's [Re: 72Swinger] #1596766
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When the oil is needed what is to say the majority wont go back to the pump instead of the engine? That is the reason for the check valve.
http://gt4motorsport.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/accusump_plumbing.png



That's what I figured but I hear that the majority of oil goes back to the motor due to the pump clearance being more of a restriction. I know guys that don't run the check valve because it restricts flow?
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'74 Challenger..9.46 @ 145.9 1/4, 6.001 @ 118 1/8 so far. 4023lb !!! # N/A, Marsh performance 655ci, Indy Maxx, T/R, Indy 600-13 X's, Street legal, pump gas, full interior, Cal-Tracs, mufflers, 3:73's and real 10.5 radials.
9.51 @ 142.4 1/4, 6.003 @ 114 1/8 with our old mule KB, 572-13, 580 wedge.
RHD '68 Barracuda Fastback 323ci street/strip. Best ET 13.88 @ 99.03
Re: Accusump q's [Re: Tig] #1596767
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Accusumps should always be plumbed after the pump and filter.When the valve is open the engine gets primed,leaving the valve open circulates the oil through the accusump and it becomes another sump or volume of oil to draw from.If you loose oil pressure the air charge will push that extra volume into the engine.The engine oil pressure surpasses the air charge side of the piston(usually only 6 lbs.THe valve is not a one way valve,it's an open or close valve.If you shut the engine and valve off with 90 lbs of engine oil pressure it will hold that pressure until the valve opens, the 90 lbs will enter the oil system and the air charge on the back side will empty the cannister.as soon as you fire the engine that oil will return to the cannister and be part of your entire oil volume availble.

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Accusumps should always be plumbed after the pump and filter.When the valve is open the engine gets primed,leaving the valve open circulates the oil through the accusump and it becomes another sump or volume of oil to draw from.If you loose oil pressure the air charge will push that extra volume into the engine.The engine oil pressure surpasses the air charge side of the piston(usually only 6 lbs.THe valve is not a one way valve,it's an open or close valve.If you shut the engine and valve off with 90 lbs of engine oil pressure it will hold that pressure until the valve opens, the 90 lbs will enter the oil system and the air charge on the back side will empty the cannister.as soon as you fire the engine that oil will return to the cannister and be part of your entire oil volume availble.




Thats how I used mine... I use a remote filter so
it was easy to plumb in.... I took the accusump off
with my dry sump system and sold the unit

Re: Accusump q's [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1596769
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I just hooked mine up this weekend. I have 80 pounds of pressure on the gauge when I turn on the switch the oil gauge goes to around 15 pounds. it will hold it there for a while but why wouldn't it jump to 80. never had one

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I just hooked mine up this weekend. I have 80 pounds of pressure on the gauge when I turn on the switch the oil gauge goes to around 15 pounds. it will hold it there for a while but why wouldn't it jump to 80. never had one




It should build right back up to your engine oil
pressure... thats assuming that the gauge on both
are reading the same... how much air pressure is in
the tank

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