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Re: Why do you resto guys do what you do? [Re: modelmakerinc] #1592743
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You pose an interesting question. I grew up in the 80's and avery mucle car was hot rodded up. In 1986 i had my first bee. I worked at a gas station and a guy would bring in a 70 bee that he was trying to find original parts for. It was early in the resto. biz so there weren't any real repop parts available. I found it very interesting and have been a purest ever since.
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Re: Why do you resto guys do what you do? [Re: Kidsixpack] #1592744
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Right I didn't pose the question to get anyone bent out of shape, I know why I choose to build/fix/restore/ modify car the way I do. And I am very appreciative of the 1000 point restorations, not just on muscle cars but all cars, and airplanes and motorcycles for that matter.

I am not bashing or bothered or jealous or anything eles .. I am very glad you guys do whwt you do. I love seeing them finished, just wanted to know the motivation behind the extremes that some go to. henry


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Re: Why do you resto guys do what you do? [Re: modelmakerinc] #1592745
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I don't consider myself one of those guys but I believe a true restorer is a guy that restores the parts that are on the car if at all possible rather than paying $1700 for an NOS part that is probably different than what came on the car anyway.
So I get where you are coming from on that point for sure. Some guys are in it for their ego's nothing else, myself I just love these cars whether anyone else does or not is of no consequence.
Although modified cars are not my first choice what will impress me with a modified car (or not) is the workmanship and execution.

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Re: Why do you resto guys do what you do? [Re: modelmakerinc] #1592746
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I think I am just tryting to get it to the level of used cars I couldn't buy back in the day, I probably prefer/enjoy the day 2 or Super Stock cars most but some cars deserve to be as correct as possible. I absolutely LOVE beater muscle cars and I drive the crap out of my stuff.

To a degree I think it is that we end up with something special, my AAR wont be perfect by any means but it will be better than most. To me it doesn't really take much more effort to do it right/correct than it does to just slap new parts together.

Why do you build models to the level that you do, could probably build a real car for the same effort. I'm just asking cause I don't necessarily see the satisfaction in that hobby. You definitely do something I wouldn't and possibly couldn't do and I'm sure you have some amazing pieces.


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Re: Why do you resto guys do what you do? [Re: mopar346] #1592747
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Model Building is my profession, I stopped building models as a hobby when they started making me money.

Now think of the attention to detail I put into any of my models and transfer that ability to real cars. Just imagine how well I would build my real cars, if I was a resto type guy.




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Re: Why do you resto guys do what you do? [Re: modelmakerinc] #1592748
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Nor would I doubt your ability, most people have a theme in their life, if they base things on quality then most things they do and own are quality. If some one is results oriented then most of the time they get results. I really don't care so much about what others think as long as I am having fun and getting a reaction, which I guess in a way means I DO care what people think.


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Re: Why do you resto guys do what you do? [Re: mopar346] #1592749
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Re: Why do you resto guys do what you do? [Re: Black 69 Beeper] #1592750
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Re: Why do you resto guys do what you do? [Re: modelmakerinc] #1592751
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The Chrysler Engineers and the factory workers created some of the best cars ever created. Bringing them back to the point that the builders had them when they left the assembly line is the ultimate thanks and respect that can be given to these people. Be able to say, "This car is perfect just the way you put it together, and we will return it to that point out of respect for the car and its creators". It is humbling to know you can only come close! That is the real challenge and not many are up to it. It is presumptuous to think you can modify or change and that the car could be any better. If you can't understand it, we can't explain it to you.

Re: Why do you resto guys do what you do? [Re: modelmakerinc] #1592752
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Now think of the attention to detail I put into any of my models and transfer that ability to real cars. Just imagine how well I would build my real cars, if I was a resto type guy.....




Why couldn't that attention to detail be applied to modified custom cars??

I think the cars that win the Riddler award have just as much and probably more attention to detail and labor that a gold winning OE resto car.

Re: Why do you resto guys do what you do? [Re: modelmakerinc] #1592753
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NO, Won't, not can't






WON'T x 199 ...

Gotta give ALL YOU credit for doing what you do - seriously - but I am sooooo far away from doing something like that ......

FURTHER away even than paying that certain from Joisey 20k$ for a rattle-can job ....

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Here's some anal details of the 2014 Riddler Award Winner.

Makes a $1700 OE exhaust hanger seem like something you could buy at Walmart.

So who's crazy now? Or crazier?










Re: Why do you resto guys do what you do? [Re: modelmakerinc] #1592755
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Quote:

Right I didn't pose the question to get anyone bent out of shape, I know why I choose to build/fix/restore/ modify car the way I do. And I am very appreciative of the 1000 point restorations, not just on muscle cars but all cars, and airplanes and motorcycles for that matter.

I am not bashing or bothered or jealous or anything eles .. I am very glad you guys do whwt you do. I love seeing them finished, just wanted to know the motivation behind the extremes that some go to. henry



It was easy to modify these cars 45 years ago. Install mag wheels, pitch steel wheels. Install chrome valve covers and air cleaner, throw out stock parts, headers...get rid of the manifolds, let's put in a cam and now we found a 26" radiator on a 71 Chrysler at the junk yard. Now, 45 years later, let's put it back original. It's a challenge and not for the average guy. Personally, over the years, I've gone from stock to full race to modified show car and back to fully restored original. I never felt so good about my car as when it was all back to original configuration. For me, it's a sense of accomplishment that I never had racing or showing it as a custom car even when I had a Hemi in it.

Re: Why do you resto guys do what you do? [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #1592756
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The most important point (in my opinion) that you made, is slapping on cheap reproduction parts next to expensive NOS parts. When I see high-dollar cars being put back together with all Chinese (AMD) metal, the whole "American Muscle" thing is lost. Why isn't the sheetmetal made here? Because of greed. The profit margins are extremely high. Yes, it can be made here and with much better quality. Will it cost more? Absolutely.

Re: Why do you resto guys do what you do? [Re: 1972CudaV21] #1592757
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And probably out of reach of the consumer's price range when it hits the market.

Profit is not a dirty word, it is necessary for a company to stay in business. If it wasn't for profit no one would bother to reproduce our stuff.


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Re: Why do you resto guys do what you do? [Re: modelmakerinc] #1592758
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Im not understanding the 'all or nothing' attitude? sometimes, a reproduction part is all that is available. with my roadrunner, I tried to locate as many NOS parts within reason and when there was only accurate reproductions available, why not use that? take exhaust tips for example, reproduction 71 machine gun tips are very nice and NOS ones are almost impossible to find. sooo in that case, should I have just went without? seems like stupid logic to me, but hey, what do I know...


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Re: Why do you resto guys do what you do? [Re: 1972CudaV21] #1592759
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Quote:

The most important point (in my opinion) that you made, is slapping on cheap reproduction parts next to expensive NOS parts. When I see high-dollar cars being put back together with all Chinese (AMD) metal, the whole "American Muscle" thing is lost. Why isn't the sheetmetal made here? Because of greed. The profit margins are extremely high. Yes, it can be made here and with much better quality. Will it cost more? Absolutely.




without affordable AMD, I guess the next best thing when NOS metal isn't available is to crush the car. great idea


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1937 Plymouth PT50
1969 Dodge Dart Swinger 340 4 speed
2013 Ram laramie 2500 hemi
2008 Harley FLSTSB springer
Re: Why do you resto guys do what you do? [Re: mopar346] #1592760
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For me, it is all a labor of love. I've had to put my car restoration on hold for 31 years. It took a back seat while I attended college, post-grad and residency programs. Then marriage, kids, divorce and marriage again.
I wouldn't have to put as much time and attention to detail as I have, but I love doing it. It's my own archiological project. I think we all get a tremendous amount of satisfaction doing as much of the work ourselves to make the car look "day one"


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Re: Why do you resto guys do what you do? [Re: FJR doc] #1592761
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Interesting post. My ? Each to his or her own. I really don't care what somebody does to their car. Full restoration, rat rod, restomod, cosmetic, whatever. What I DON'T care for is someone coming up to me and going "You know, that is the wrong bolt for the battery tray." Then I tend to tell them they should buy a Corvette. They'll fit right into that crowd with that attitude.


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Quote:

Here's some anal details of the 2014 Riddler Award Winner.

Makes a $1700 OE exhaust hanger seem like something you could buy at Walmart.

So who's crazy now? Or crazier?






I know a couple shops building cars to compete at that level. Comparing them to the OE stock crowd is apples to oranges.

One shop told me they have about 2 full work weeks ( 8 hour days )at $65 an hour

in JUST the exhuast clamps

The guys building to win that particualar award go full tilt from the 1st pre-limernary sketches to the end with that ONE goal in mind....WIN

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