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Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day
[Re: John Burdine]
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02/11/14 08:45 AM
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1. not a dumb question
2. off topic, but I cant get over the Jesel belt drive $1500. WTF? 1500? is it made of 24k gold? good lord.
This is why when I look at used race parts, I need to know what I am looking it. Somtimes there is some wierd stuff out there. The small blocks are the worst for decifering what they are.
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Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day
[Re: John Burdine]
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02/11/14 02:21 PM
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I thinl the $1500 price tag is a direct correlation to how many Mopar guys even think about building bigger engines. Just like why we have heads with 20+ year old technology. Just not enough Mopar guys willing to makethis kind of power out there to keep prices down and technology moving. I think most Mopar guys think a set of -1's are the bomb....
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Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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02/11/14 02:30 PM
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I thinl the $1500 price tag is a direct correlation to how many Mopar guys even think about building bigger engines. Just like why we have heads with 20+ year old technology. Just not enough Mopar guys willing to makethis kind of power out there to keep prices down and technology moving. I think most Mopar guys think a set of -1's are the bomb....
Unfortunetly, out our way, Heads up racing does not nearly have the car counts...So even if I could afford it, the venue to race it are very limited around here.
Now you put a Nostalgia class in, and we have over +80 cars per meet almost every time..A couple of our regular meets had +100 cars...That's 6 rounds to get to the finals plus the qualifiers, so it all depends. And I am still thinking the EZ1 heads are the Bomb...-1 heads would be a step up yet!
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Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day
[Re: Dragula]
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02/11/14 02:50 PM
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Has nothing to do with heads up stuff. I am going to build a big motor to bracket race it. Hoping for 1250ish reliable HP. Still doing homework but hoping it becomes a reality. Just not many Mopar guys looking at making this kind of power out there, thus the increased price for parts. Makes sense to me, no demand short supply higher cost. I would say the overwhelming majority of Mopar guys are building 750-850hp engines at best and are completely happy there. Nothing wrong with that but no reason to complain about parts prices for stuff that is few and far between.
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Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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02/11/14 07:15 PM
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thats all true,serious power costs serious money,uncommon parts add to that cost,i am not a big fan of indy but look at 600-13 heads even,dont see or hear much about them either,if everybody had a mega block they wouldn't be 4 grand for the iron version,although,kb blocks aren't cheap either and a lot of users there hasn't brought the price down,7700 I believe,out the door,{a year later},I guess opening your mind to options during a build always helps out with affordability/horsepower options,plan,build,adapt,go fast....
Last edited by dakotawilly; 02/11/14 07:16 PM.
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Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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02/14/14 12:50 AM
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Has nothing to do with heads up stuff. I am going to build a big motor to bracket race it. Hoping for 1250ish reliable HP. Still doing homework but hoping it becomes a reality. Just not many Mopar guys looking at making this kind of power out there, thus the increased price for parts. Makes sense to me, no demand short supply higher cost. I would say the overwhelming majority of Mopar guys are building 750-850hp engines at best and are completely happy there. Nothing wrong with that but no reason to complain about parts prices for stuff that is few and far between.
Just so you know I will be releasing the "PSO "head package for the serious racer . They will be available as soon as I can get out and test (April,ish). I agree with you, I wish we had more selections . This development has been a nightmare .....even to get valve covers . I would of thought with these casting being around for 20 yrs it would of been an easier road .
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Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day
[Re: rowin4]
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02/14/14 11:58 AM
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I am not complaining what the parts cost...I'm the idiot that races a Hemi....Must be cheap.
I know you were not, just addressing the question asked by someone..
I did the Hemi thing too. Then decided I wanted to go fast 
OH, that hurt
He's right, I should have bought a phord if I wanted to go fast... 
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Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day
[Re: Dragula]
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02/14/14 04:47 PM
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on the indy block anyway the standard cam height block the cam tunnel looks to be off set in the casting(low) and the raised cam version the tunnel looks to be centered. it is very obvious if you look.
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Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day
[Re: julian2007]
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02/14/14 04:58 PM
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Im sure the blocks are the same castings. Just a matter of where the cam is located in casting
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Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day
[Re: julian2007]
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02/15/14 11:13 AM
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I didn't mean they were two different blocks just how the cam tunnel is in a different location in the casting. All I was doing was trying to help the guy out. What made you think I said it was two different castings?
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Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day
[Re: julian2007]
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02/15/14 01:45 PM
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I did not, was just making the point. That is a good way to possibly identify the Indy block as well as others but I have seen a World block or two that exhibit some of the casting irregularities that production blocks do. Meaning some core shift, so that may not be the best way to tell on all blocks. I have one here that is higher on the casting that is a STD cam location block. I believe he is looking for way to quickly identify them apart and not sure without measuring I would be confident if the seller was unsure or you wanted to verify it. I think everyone might be getting a tad sensitive around here. Must be your long winter. If it helps it is supposed to be 80 here today
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Re: Raised Cam Block...Dumb Q of the day
[Re: dakotawilly]
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02/15/14 07:37 PM
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thats all true,serious power costs serious money,uncommon parts add to that cost,i am not a big fan of indy but look at 600-13 heads even,dont see or hear much about them either,if everybody had a mega block they wouldn't be 4 grand for the iron version,although,kb blocks aren't cheap either and a lot of users there hasn't brought the price down,7700 I believe,out the door,{a year later},I guess opening your mind to options during a build always helps out with affordability/horsepower options,plan,build,adapt,go fast....
The 600-13 is more about the 4.84 borespacing and cam location than the heads.
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