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Altered Wheelbase car: Torsion bars or straight axle? #1573426 02/03/14 02:46 AM 02/03/14 02:46 AM
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GY3 OP master G Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 4,687 Wichita	A couple of us are thinking about building one. Which one drives better? Do the A-100 axles have the right width or would a tubular axle from Speedway Motors make more sense?

Re: Altered Wheelbase car: Torsion bars or straight axle? [Re: GY3] #1573427 02/03/14 02:58 AM 02/03/14 02:58 AM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: A couple of us are thinking about building one. Which one drives better? Do the A-100 axles have the right width or would a tubular axle from Speedway Motors make more sense? I built my brothers altered with a leading link straight axle... it runs high 8s with a simple SBC in it... drives great with 10* caster... I see your talking altered wheelbase and not a altered... sorry but this is what I built for him EDIT The stock axle in the D-series was really heavy... you dont need anything like that in a race car 8024529-sean2.jpg (155 downloads) Last edited by MR_P_BODY; 02/03/14 03:13 AM.

Re: Altered Wheelbase car: Torsion bars or straight axle? [Re: GY3] #1573428 02/03/14 06:57 AM 02/03/14 06:57 AM
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Moparmal master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,943 Melbourne.....Oz-land	Torsion bars reduce front end lift - kind of defeats the purpose of an AFX... 67 RO23 clone with 6.1 SRT Hemi and dual quads. Soon to have Drag Pak induction and Throttle body.

Re: Altered Wheelbase car: Torsion bars or straight axle? [Re: Moparmal] #1573429 02/03/14 01:01 PM 02/03/14 01:01 PM
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THE GLASS MAN super stock T Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,186 OHIO	Let me know if you need any fiberglass parts. Here at Sled City Fiberglass, we make and sell all the parts for the AWB cars. Plymouth and Dodge.

Re: Altered Wheelbase car: Torsion bars or straight axle? [Re: THE GLASS MAN] #1573430 02/03/14 03:01 PM 02/03/14 03:01 PM
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Slingshot383 mopar S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 684 St. Charles, MO.	The original Chryslers used torsion bars, special long ones, but you could move the rear torsion bar attach fitting forward and use standard length ones. 1994 Undercover Chassis 125" altered stack injected big block, soon blown and injected Member of The Torque and Recoil Club

Re: Altered Wheelbase car: Torsion bars or straight axle? [Re: Slingshot383] #1573431 02/03/14 03:34 PM 02/03/14 03:34 PM
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SCATPACK 1 pro stock S Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,505 TN	The original cars used torsion bars from the big Chryslers because they were much longer than the B body torsion bars. To my knowledge none of the true factory altered wheel base cars ever used Straight axles. I have seen several home made versions with the straight axles in it.. Old Geezer Racing

Re: Altered Wheelbase car: Torsion bars or straight axle? [Re: SCATPACK 1] #1573432 02/03/14 03:37 PM 02/03/14 03:37 PM
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savoy64 top fuel S Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,042 colorado	i heard some use light a-body bars for more action in the front...

Re: Altered Wheelbase car: Torsion bars or straight axle? [Re: savoy64] #1573433 02/03/14 07:42 PM 02/03/14 07:42 PM
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fed mopar Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 462 Stockholm, Sweden	I moved the complete frontend inclusive the torision bars 4" forward. 8025272-Camper077.JPG (157 downloads) Cuda, -70 Valiant-65 AWB, Valiant Signet200 -65 Topchopped dragcar. Topolino Fuel Altered. NostalgiaFED Sold, SuperComp Bantam Altered, Sold Ex Harlan Thompsons Nitro funny car American Graffiti Sold,

Re: Altered Wheelbase car: Torsion bars or straight axle? [Re: GY3] #1573434 02/03/14 08:47 PM 02/03/14 08:47 PM
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Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Quote: A couple of us are thinking about building one. Which one drives better? Do the A-100 axles have the right width or would a tubular axle from Speedway Motors make more sense? Talked to a guy just this Saturday at the track - he was running a Dart with an I beam front end in the 9's. Said it handled great. Got most of his stuff from Speedway. Said it was considerably lighter than the torsion set up. Guess it depends on the look that you want. Fastest 300

Re: Altered Wheelbase car: Torsion bars or straight axle? [Re: Crizila] #1573435 02/03/14 11:26 PM 02/03/14 11:26 PM
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1969gtx mopar 1 Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 643 southern conn	All 11 factory car used torsion bars. there is bar out there that work I have a set 49" long. built one car flashback. will be building one this fall I post some pic. there some build on afxer.com. flashback has had the wheels 3'in the air no straight axl here 10.25 comp. 426 hemi on pump gas. 8025644-Wheelie.jpg (144 downloads) 1965 A/FX Plymouth 9.50 et @139 mph 1965 A/FX awb plymouth flashback [email]10.26@129mph[/email] mph on pump gas 426 hemi 1969 GTX Hemi 4 speed 12.50 et @ 112mph in F.A.S.T TRIM 1970 GTX 4406pac 4 speed 11.05 @126.9 mph in F.A.S.T TRIM http://www.AFXER.com

Re: Altered Wheelbase car: Torsion bars or straight axle? [Re: 1969gtx] #1573436 02/04/14 01:10 PM 02/04/14 01:10 PM
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Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Quote: All 11 factory car used torsion bars. there is bar out there that work I have a set 49" long. built one car flashback. will be building one this fall I post some pic. there some build on afxer.com. flashback has had the wheels 3'in the air no straight axl here 10.25 comp. 426 hemi on pump gas. I'm wichu on the torsion bars for the correct look if you are doing an altered WB car. Fastest 300

Re: Altered Wheelbase car: Torsion bars or straight axle? [Re: Crizila] #1573437 02/04/14 03:32 PM 02/04/14 03:32 PM
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skicker "The Champ" Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 5,107 Western Md.	I can't remember off the top of my head but I think its Mancini that sells the 10" longer torsion bars. I'm in a slow process of building one however I am using the A-100 Van straight axle. It is a little wide but the few I have talked to about this said not to cut it down in width. Many have cut them down and had no issues. I'm using a pair of 4" Anson front runners and the total track width is actually 1" narrower running the skinny rims over the factory K frame front end and 7" wheels that had 3 1/2" b/s. 8026373-imagesCAM2TEXP.jpg (96 downloads) ...FAFO...

Re: Altered Wheelbase car: Torsion bars or straight axle? [Re: skicker] #1573438 02/04/14 07:54 PM 02/04/14 07:54 PM
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SNK-EYZ I Live Here Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 10,141 A Red State	This copy of the specs might help with building an AFX Altered. This link will take you to the pdf file. http://www.moparmax.com/features/2006/images/05-report/report.pdf Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol

Re: Altered Wheelbase car: Torsion bars or straight axle? [Re: SNK-EYZ] #1573439 02/04/14 10:33 PM 02/04/14 10:33 PM
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GY3 OP master G Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 4,687 Wichita	Quote: This copy of the specs might help with building an AFX Altered. This link will take you to the pdf file. http://www.moparmax.com/features/2006/images/05-report/report.pdf Yep, already seen that but thanks for posting it. Leaning towards straight axle for simplicity.

Re: Altered Wheelbase car: Torsion bars or straight axle? [Re: GY3] #1573440 02/04/14 11:48 PM 02/04/14 11:48 PM
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RodStRace I Live Here Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 12,481 Chino Valley	There have been a few built recently. I'd suggest that you research ALL parts involved. The straight axle swap I've seen requires building a steering system by welding some forged parts together. Let's just say those welds better be RIGHT! There are aftermarket suspension parts as said, but ask them how to turn the steering wheel input into front wheel movement on your application and see what they say. Also ask about shock mounts and brake kits, unless you are going to run without front brakes!

Re: Altered Wheelbase car: Torsion bars or straight axle? [Re: 1969gtx] #1573441 02/05/14 12:06 AM 02/05/14 12:06 AM
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Moparmal master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,943 Melbourne.....Oz-land	Could have sworn Landy's Dodge ran an I beam front...so went and checked.....

Re: Altered Wheelbase car: Torsion bars or straight axle? [Re: Moparmal] #1573442 02/05/14 07:39 AM 02/05/14 07:39 AM
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SNK-EYZ I Live Here Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 10,141 A Red State	I could be wrong, but I believe Clay said his has a coil over shock set up on it. I'm sure he'd be happy to talk about it if you want to. I can pm you his contact info if you're interested. Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol

Re: Altered Wheelbase car: Torsion bars or straight axle? [Re: RodStRace] #1573443 02/05/14 11:33 AM 02/05/14 11:33 AM
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THE GLASS MAN super stock T Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,186 OHIO	Quote: There have been a few built recently. I'd suggest that you research ALL parts involved. The straight axle swap I've seen requires building a steering system by welding some forged parts together. Let's just say those welds better be RIGHT! There are aftermarket suspension parts as said, but ask them how to turn the steering wheel input into front wheel movement on your application and see what they say. Also ask about shock mounts and brake kits, unless you are going to run without front brakes! RodStRace says there has been a few made lately, and he is right. We have orders on the board for 4 complete fiberglass kits for the AWB cars right now and a guy in Mich. says he will be ordering enough to do 2 more. There is a lot of interest in these cars right now. Just as much now as back in 1965-66.

Re: Altered Wheelbase car: Torsion bars or straight axle? [Re: THE GLASS MAN] #1573444 02/05/14 03:50 PM 02/05/14 03:50 PM
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Re: Altered Wheelbase car: Torsion bars or straight axle? [Re: RalphsRapidTrnst] #1573445 02/08/14 02:42 AM 02/08/14 02:42 AM
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Re: Altered Wheelbase car: Torsion bars or straight axle? [Re: hemi-itis] #1573446 02/08/14 03:07 PM 02/08/14 03:07 PM
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fullmetaljacket master F Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,849	I promise not to paint the walls, though they could use a good hint of art on the sound back wall by the starting line. What Altered egos we have. LOL

Re: Altered Wheelbase car: Torsion bars or straight axle? [Re: hemi-itis] #1573447 02/11/14 10:54 PM 02/11/14 10:54 PM
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RalphsRapidTrnst top fuel R Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,150 Bristol, CT	Quote: Can I play?? I promise to stay away from the wallz Why not. A Collection Of All Things Chrysler www.RalphsRapidTransit.com Stock Appearing MuscleCar Racing www.SuperCarRaces.com

Re: Altered Wheelbase car: Torsion bars or straight axle? [Re: GY3] #1573448 02/12/14 01:40 AM 02/12/14 01:40 AM
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Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,228 Bend,OR USA	If you want it to look real like the originals factory sponsored racer cars the factory sponsored racers made you have to move the K member forward and also use the 1965/1966 C body torsion bars I don't remember a lot of those cars crashing back in the day until they started exceeding 150 + MPH when they went to injection and switch to alcholol with a little "pop" in the tank Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

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