3310 Jet Reccomendations
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02/01/14 12:52 AM
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Working through some tunings bugs in the 440 as much as I can in the winter.
Had some issues with the Edelbrock that was on the car. When it was dyno'd it was pig rich and couldn't be brought down to good numbers.
I later swapped to a 3310 Holley with clear bowl plugs and a Quick fuel adjustable secondary set up and electric choke. Car runs much smoother and plugs look good.
However it occasionally had issues with popping through the carb on quick throttle stabs.
I just put in a new Firecore distributor and wires -as my old stuff was tired- Runs even smoother now with nice start ups. However anything more then 15 deg initial timing it really want to pop through the carb when revved at 15 it's not so bad. If you bring it up not as quick it'll rev to the moon with no issues.
Pretty sure I have a lean condition as everything checks out. The carb is box stock for jets and shooters so would would you reccomend?
1967 Plymouth Belvedere:
1973 Chrysler Newport 440 4 BBL cleaned & deburred. .030” over, crank .010 under mains & rods, ARP head & rod bolts & windage tray pistons- .030 H143 CP hyperutetic & file fit rings R927835 performer RPM HEADS & intake Hughes-timing set, CAM, lifters, rocker shafts, roller rockers, Hughes CAM-HEH 2832BL Flat Tappet Hydraulic / One Bolt Timing Gear. Street performance and strip: HP exhaust or headers, performance intake 3.70:1 gears, 4 bbl or 3x2, Idles so you know its in there. HP ported Stage I heads 160psi suggested cylinder pressure 2800rpm stall. Very hot daily driver.
Camshaft Technical Details Intake Valve Lift 1.5 Exhaust Valve Lift 1.5 .524" .540" Intake Valve Lift 1.6 Exhaust Valve Lift 1.6 .558" .576" Intake Duration at .050" Exhaust Duration at .050" 228° 232° Lobe Separation Angle 110º Intake Opening at .050" Exhaust Opening at .050" 7° BTC 49° BBC Intake Closing at .050" Exhaust Closing at .050" 41° ABC 3° ATC Min. Suggested Cylinder PSI 165 Sweet Spot RPM 1800 - 5400
TTI 1 7/8” headers 2 1/2” pipes with X pipe.
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Re: 3310 Jet Reccomendations
[Re: PossessedDuster]
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02/01/14 03:31 AM
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Not sure if it is within your budget, but installing a wideband 02 sensor and Air/Fuel guage made me a believer in using technology to your advantage. If I were to continue to rely on my limited skills to tune my car, I'd be waaaay off. According to my testing, my car still runs rich/fat. If I were tuning on the basis of the smell of fuel or visually seeing black smoke, I'd think I was fine. The guage is a great tool for a guy like me. Otherwise I'm just guessing what the engine is doing. Regarding the popping sound, that seems to be more of a timing issue. I'm thinking a crack in the dist. cap or carbon tracks. Maybe a defective rotor or an out of phase reluctor or similar issue? Stange story: For years I had an intermittent issue where the car would run great but hours or days later it wouldn't start due to having no spark. After much digging, I found that the roll pin on the reluctor star/wheel was loose, allowing the wheel to "clock" and make the distributor want to fire at the wrong time, or not at all.
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Re: 3310 Jet Reccomendations
[Re: Kern Dog]
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02/01/14 03:41 AM
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try going up 2 sizes on the squirters.
I am truckless..
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Re: 3310 Jet Reccomendations
[Re: PossessedDuster]
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02/01/14 12:52 PM
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IF you are sure you are dealing with a lean issue, then there are 3 basic things you can do. Go up to a 8.5 or 9.5 power valve, go to a bigger acc. shooter, go to an acc. pump cam that gives more fuel earlier.
If you have the drill bits, you can drill the shooter bigger rather than buy a new one.
These suggestions are the simplest bolt-on ways to richen up the off-idle. There are other things to do, but they are not as simple.
Also check your timing curve. What intake are you running?
Master, again and still
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Re: 3310 Jet Reccomendations
[Re: RapidRobert]
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With the Eddy once I changed the setting on the pump linkage it was good.
Intake is an Edelbrock RPM
As far as the curve goes its a brand new Firecore distributor paperwork is in the garage so I don't have the curve offhand.
It runs fine otherwise and will pull rpm just fine and only pops when the throttle is hit to quickly which is why I am sure its a lean condition.
I have some different shooter sizes I'll see what ones I have.
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Re: 3310 Jet Reccomendations
[Re: Dan Halen]
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31 is the stock size of discharge nozzle. Holley doesn't build a 33 or 34 so I tried a 35 that I had. No change still pops back as bad. From idle to 1700rpm 90% of the time a throttle stab will result in a pop. From 2000rpm and up it seems fine. I sprayed brake clean around the base of the intake and carb with no real change in idle. Both streams from the shooter look ok. I also tried with NO vacuum advance and still no change. Adding more initial timing only made it worse. Any chance of this being ignition module related? I have a Ren-n-ator on order I took a short video
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Re: 3310 Jet Reccomendations
[Re: PossessedDuster]
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02/01/14 11:22 PM
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""Any chance of this being ignition module related?""
Im surprised it runs at all with that POS orange box. I wouldnt be spending any money on that Rev N Ator eithe..
I am truckless..
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Re: 3310 Jet Reccomendations
[Re: PossessedDuster]
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Quote:
The reason I ordered the Rev-n-ator was not the horse power claims. I wanted simple and plug n play with my current set-up that would be reliable and work well. All of which from what I read fits the product.
I remember reading the article written by Dunnick Racing about the Rev-N-Nator. I even started a thread on the HP differences shown in the dyno sheet. I was doubtful about it but liked the idea of the LED display and the Rev limiter. I bought one but it made my detonation problems worse. Since then I've made other changes and reinstalled the Rev box. The car runs great with it.
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Re: 3310 Jet Reccomendations
[Re: PossessedDuster]
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02/02/14 02:27 AM
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Old school, " arich idle mixture is much less likely to lean out on tip in" open the mixtures 1/4 maybe even 1/2 turn and see if it fixes anything. The # 35 squirter may not work any better without the 50cc pump and cam to supply it. Your idle mixtures should actually be tuned to max vacuum hot, idling, with a vacuum gauge. Shorty has a good point about MSDs, they "make" an engine more tolerant to transient "lean/rich" events with the multi spark capability lighting marginal mixtures reliably, as well as more spark energy to the plug than a lot of ignitions out there. Power valve is worth looking at, and should be selected at a rating of 2" of vacuum below your best hot idle achievable vacuum.(you get 9,you buy and install a #70)so it stays shut above 7" and opens quickly to ease transition from isle circuit to power as soon as you hit the throttle and vac drops below 7. Hope this helps.Case
I'm 55 now, no time to waste. Not a week goes by that I don't hear about someone passing on.Let's get out there,smoke some tires,have a beer with a good friend,do what you have always wanted to do.I am pretty sure no one will ever say on their deathbed "gee I'm glad my life was calm and boring"
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