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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
[Re: Thumperdart]
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I dont have any pics with leaf springs but its the same as doing a coil over... I use a moly 1 5/8 tube going across the top between the rails... you can cut out the old upper shock mount if you want... on the tube I weld on 2 brackets per shock for a bolt through.. this one is the P-Body 
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[Re: Thumperdart]
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12/30/13 03:27 PM
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This one is the Rampage
This looks easier for my application.............Figured instead of a bar goig across from frame to frame I`d weld a plate w/a stud but that also limits any up or down shock adjustments.......... 
In a coil over type(or even a non coil over type)
we normally do any shock adjusting at the bottom
to change the body height but then you would have
to get rid of the stud mount on the bottom... this
pic shows the bottom shock mount(I use the long bracket
then once I set the body height to the proper location
with the shock travel correct, I cut off the extra
length of the bottom bracket)
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[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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12/30/13 03:59 PM
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Just be sure to keep some distance between the housing and shock/spring assy. You get some housing rotation with a leaf spring, and you can do some damage if there is contact. That last pic would not work(space wise) with a leaf spring.
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[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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12/30/13 04:01 PM
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Makes sense...........Didn`t really wanna weld on the housing but may as well just do it right the first time and be done w/it plus if I get a Dana, nothing really changes as long as I put em in the same location as the 8 3/4.........  Thankxxx........
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[Re: mopar65]
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12/30/13 06:11 PM
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This one is the Rampage
Hey mike you missing a wrench? lol good job on the car build and sorry you didn't make DW.Mopar65 
I remembered the wrench... that day I was setting the
body height... I still need to replace the coil springs
on all 4 corners.. front are too stiff and the rears
are a bit weak to have the shocks in the right position..
there is more clearance than you think between the
spring and the back brace... but yes a leaf would
probably just touch with the extra rap up
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[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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12/30/13 10:05 PM
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dont have pics but i mounted mine in front of rear tilted back at 5%, real soft ride, would hook on snott.
forgot to say these were Koni-coilovers.
4-link, i'm getting slow at 64
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[Re: Thumperdart]
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12/30/13 11:38 PM
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So does the 6" make the shock vertical ... I never cared for that spacer... all to often it was rusted to the bolt and was a BITSH getting the bolt out.. but might not be a issue out in the dry heat... LOL
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[Re: Thumperdart]
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12/31/13 10:31 PM
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still using same shocks? just changed angle?
footbrake N/A SB 408 Scamp 10.10 @ 132 street/strip
73 Duster 340 street strip 12.79 @ 105
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[Re: Thumperdart]
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12/31/13 10:56 PM
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What leaf springs are you using?
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We use Superformance gaskets and Turbo Action converters/products.
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[Re: Thumperdart]
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01/01/14 12:52 AM
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Allways a pioneer Thumper I'm in the process of moving my leafs in. Got a set of 66 mustang monoleafs off my brother which have a 23in front segment and going to to the same thing with the shocks. Cheers
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
[Re: Thumperdart]
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This is a great post a friend and I were talking the other day about doing this. Now I have a question for everyone.He said some of the new mustangs,have one shock mounted to the front of housing and one mounted to the rear of housing.1 in front..1 in back.Just for the record he has a Plymouth not ford.  But what is everyone's opinion on this?Its a least something to think about.After all if ford does this on their new mustangs they must think there is some benefit from during it.(I know ford & mustang should have Caps,but I just can't make myself do it  ) On a Drag Race only car with leaf springs,both to the front or both to the rear or one in front and one in the rear of housing?
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My Ranger has that same set up but I think it`s more for street driving than straight line racing but, could be wrong. All I can say is that my car has never reacted as good or tried to hook on the street like it does now w/em straight up and down and w/less air pressure it keeps gettin better although the time slip has the final word..........
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
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01/04/14 06:02 PM
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This is a great post a friend and I were talking the other day about doing this.
Now I have a question for everyone.He said some of the new mustangs,have one shock mounted to the front of housing and one mounted to the rear of housing.1 in front..1 in back.Just for the record he has a Plymouth not ford.
But what is everyone's opinion on this?Its a least something to think about.After all if ford does this on their new mustangs they must think there is some benefit from during it.(I know ford & mustang should have Caps,but I just can't make myself do it )
On a Drag Race only car with leaf springs,both to the front or both to the rear or one in front and one in the rear of housing?
Being that each shock is trying to control a different
leverage ratio they get need to be adjusted differently...
the rear one will be set a bit weaker than the front
by the percentage of the ratio difference.. they all
did this for cost... same bracket just turned around
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01/05/14 03:22 AM
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Soon, after the new year it will get done on my car.
Brad are you going to mount them in front of the rear too or no.
Yes in front and vert.
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[Re: 1967dartgt]
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01/05/14 04:02 AM
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GM did the shock staggering originally back in the 1960s for the Trans Am Road racing cars, it helped thier lap times  There have been some drag cars try the shocks mounted in the front but we don't see that anymore
You might want to check out the latest built heads-up cars. Quite a few leaf spring cars have gone with the shocks in the front.
It really makes no difference if they are in front
or rear.. in front they just need stronger valving
to cover for the percentage of change
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[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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01/05/14 04:11 AM
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GM did the shock staggering originally back in the 1960s for the Trans Am Road racing cars, it helped thier lap times There have been some drag cars try the shocks mounted in the front but we don't see that anymore
You might want to check out the latest built heads-up cars. Quite a few leaf spring cars have gone with the shocks in the front.
It really makes no difference if they are in front
or rear.. in front they just need stronger valving
to cover for the percentage of change
What spring segment are you trying to control? Front or back? Why not mount shock on that segment. Some chassis builders are trying it in small tire stuff. It's really easy for me to do. Swap leaf spring/shock mounts side to side so shock mounts face forward. Weld bar for upper shock mount in done. Doesn't work stock uppers still there and swap plates back.
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[Re: bdaz smblk]
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01/05/14 03:42 PM
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Soon, after the new year it will get done on my car.
Brad are you going to mount them in front of the rear too or no.
Where are yours mounted Mr. 8 3/4 9.0 guy.......... 
I think I like them better mounted in front of the rear.Then if u want to run a anti roll bar you have room to do that to.
I have mounted the shocks in front and in the rear
but I just mount the anti roll on the opposite side
of the diff than the shocks.. so yes if you mount
them in front then yes you mount the anti roll in
the rear and visa versa
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[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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01/06/14 03:51 PM
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Not too far off topic, but are there any risks to going to a vertical shock on the street? I still plan to drive the car on the street a fair amount, but I am not trying to carve canyons or anything. I am currently running SS springs, but may make the switch to Caltracs if I can't get this thing to hook. After crawling underneath and taking some measurments, I will not be able to move the upper mount outward very much (without re-working the exhaust, fuel lines, trunk floor where the fuel cell is sectioned in, etc.) So my next option looks to be to move the lower mount inward, away from the tire/spring. I understand that this is not ideal, but how big of an issue would this be? I have the means to make some small brackets, weld them to the rear and make a new upper mount, but if I have to re-engineer everything aft of the axle, I may re-think my approach. Any input is appreciated.
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[Re: OUTLAWD]
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02/24/14 09:49 PM
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Not too far off topic, but are there any risks to going to a vertical shock on the street? I still plan to drive the car on the street a fair amount, but I am not trying to carve canyons or anything.
I am currently running SS springs, but may make the switch to Caltracs if I can't get this thing to hook.
After crawling underneath and taking some measurments, I will not be able to move the upper mount outward very much (without re-working the exhaust, fuel lines, trunk floor where the fuel cell is sectioned in, etc.) So my next option looks to be to move the lower mount inward, away from the tire/spring. I understand that this is not ideal, but how big of an issue would this be?
I have the means to make some small brackets, weld them to the rear and make a new upper mount, but if I have to re-engineer everything aft of the axle, I may re-think my approach.
Any input is appreciated.
You would like the shocks out as far as possible so
its easier to control and roll rate(depending on the
rear set up)but if running a ladder bar you want them
out as far also... thats why we tend to run the shocks
on the back of the ladder bar brackets.... the reason
the shocks were angled was to give a straight line
load when the car was in a corner which is when it
had the most roll rate to it
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[Re: 1967dartgt]
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02/25/14 04:01 PM
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We moved mine verticle when we did my cage. The upper bar ties in the rear speaker tray bars going down into the trunk & is the upper shock bar mount. Also added the anti-roll bar at the same time.
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[Re: 1967dartgt]
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02/25/14 11:26 PM
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I gotta learn to post pics, I made some really simple brackets for mounting my shocks in front of the axle, they bolt to the frame and I didn't have to run a tube across. (my car is nicely painted underneath so I try to avoid cutting/welding where I can)
and the only class I'd run around me doesn't allow an ARB
With how stiff these shocks are valved we felt it was need to run a bar across. You really need to control the extension on drag radial car.
No doubt, I made a wide plate to mount to the frame and spread any load out. One year of street and track time, no issues yet.
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[Re: SpareParts]
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02/26/14 12:32 AM
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I see most of the vertical's are coil overs on bar cars.
What's the advantage of vertical's without coil overs and Cal Trac's??
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02/26/14 07:19 PM
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I really need to make a new upper shock mount for mine since my back brace is denting my shocks in and also I have cheap shocks and my car has a rediculous amount of rear lift. From what I am reading that is from my cheapo shocks. What is a good affordable shock that works decent on a leaf spring b body. My car doesnt run 9's but its heavy as hell and my 8 3/4 has over 100 passes on it now.
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[Re: dragram440]
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02/27/14 03:38 PM
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Really depends on what springs you have. The ride height can change a lot from car to car. Best to measure extended length and length with weight on car.
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Are the caltrac mounts similar to the stock ones. Have you managed to maintain your comp damping by pushing the upper mounts up ? Thanks for the pics. Mick
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[Re: Thumperdart]
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03/03/14 02:32 PM
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Yes my car sits low, it was about the lowest the front could go. there was only 1/4 of travel to the bump stop on the front. Its a pain to get rear tires on and off, need to let the suspension drop when jacked up and have to deflate tires and crush them down to get them on and off. It's about 2 inches off the floor to center of bolt if I had to guess.
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[Re: Thumperdart]
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03/03/14 02:49 PM
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I will see if my buddy is going to shop and have him measure. I wont be near the shop till end of week.
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[Re: 1967dartgt]
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I am just looking listening and hopefully learning. I am just wondering if mounting the shock in front of the axle and using compression to control axle rotation and extension to control body seperation would be why they are mounting the shock in front of the axle. The other benifit would be the ability to adjust body seperation and axle rotation with different shock setting versus both being controlled by extension in the shock mounted behind the axle. That's my thoughts, what do you guys think.
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The caltrac controls rotation, you want to be on front because that is the part of the spring that dictates traction. It reacts faster when you are on the front.
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[Re: Thumperdart]
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practice makes perfect!! Don't think you are doing to bad with your combo. 
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I am sure you saw gups pic of his rear suspension, so I am by no means the inventor of this idea. His car has been that way as long as I have know it. I just copy other people good ideas.lol
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There have been some posts on the Bullet from some of the heavy hitters in the small tire leaf spring classes. These guys had run the shock behind, or in front of the housing. Their shock data was smoother with the shock mounted in the front (rear mounted the graph would spike) and the car was quicket and more consistant.
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The car is being lifted at the same point which is the front of the spring at the bolt hole... with a shock on the rear it will see a farther travel than if its in front.... its a matter of what the shock likes that makes the difference... its pushing oil through a set of holes... now does it like the pressure of the oil to be higher(with the shock in the rear) or with the pressure to be lower(with the shock in front).. the higher and lower pressure is from the distance that the piston travels in the shock(its mounted on the shaft)... not all shocks are equal.. when I took the Dave chassis seminar he spoke alot on shocks and how some react to different inputs
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
[Re: Thumperdart]
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I will fit mine in front of the axle because it's mounted an inch further back, so it will straighten the shocks up both ways. It's got to be at least 6" forward with the spring clamps reversed.
Mick
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
[Re: deaks]
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I have fitted my shocks the same as 67 dart GT and at rest there's only 3/4" compression, that is without me.
I have only tacked the upper plates at the moment, so i can break the welds but the trunk floor curves down near the top of the shocks so either i need to cut the floor and remake that section, hammer it upwards,change my 1-1/2 lowering blocks for 2" ones, or cut the bottom bolt off the plate and fab something onto it to make it hang lower.
Any suggestions ?
69 Dart GTS 440 mopar .590 cam, Edelbrock heads, 3200#
best et 6.45, 106.78, 10.14, 132.88 mph, 1.47 60ft
best 60ft 1.36
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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03/10/14 05:39 PM
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They are afco doubles, i'm not buying another set.
How much travel have you got at rest ?
Mick
69 Dart GTS 440 mopar .590 cam, Edelbrock heads, 3200#
best et 6.45, 106.78, 10.14, 132.88 mph, 1.47 60ft
best 60ft 1.36
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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03/10/14 07:30 PM
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Pushing the tube up into the chassis doesn't increase the height much, maybe my afcos were a little short in the first place.
I'll probably lower the bottom mount an inch.
Mick
69 Dart GTS 440 mopar .590 cam, Edelbrock heads, 3200#
best et 6.45, 106.78, 10.14, 132.88 mph, 1.47 60ft
best 60ft 1.36
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
[Re: deaks]
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What are you using for lower mount?
Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads
STR Chassis fabraction
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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The stock mount for the SS springs.
69 Dart GTS 440 mopar .590 cam, Edelbrock heads, 3200#
best et 6.45, 106.78, 10.14, 132.88 mph, 1.47 60ft
best 60ft 1.36
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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Yes i did flip them side for side. I've now cut the bolts off the bottom mounts, inset them into new brackets and welded them onto the existing ones. I will finish them off tomorrow with a small gusset on each one and that should give me 2" both sides.
Mick
69 Dart GTS 440 mopar .590 cam, Edelbrock heads, 3200#
best et 6.45, 106.78, 10.14, 132.88 mph, 1.47 60ft
best 60ft 1.36
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
[Re: Porter67]
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Mid 70-s are a mess oem, I have the rancho 5 way or whatever came with the caltracks and I know the QA1 double adjust ones will fit vertically.
Anyone see any issues if I went this route with these mounts from jegs?
I did read this all the way through where hemi? asked about leaf spring cars.
I dont mind welding on the Dana as ive got to pull it anyway. Im just wondering if being in the position would throw anything off??????
No it wont.. vertical works great for drag racing..
they are in the applied load direction.. we put them
on a angle for cornering reasons.. that would be the
applied load direction in corners
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
[Re: justinp61]
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03/31/15 01:35 PM
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I understand how vertical mounts work better on a drag car. What I'm having trouble getting my (little) mind around is the in front of the axle mount. On the hit the housing is doing two things, it's trying to rotate the front up and also separate from the body. with the shock on the back side this motion is all in the same direction, shock extension. Now with the shock in the front, the axle is trying to rotate up (compress the shock) and at the same time separate from the body (extend the shock). I can't see a single adjustable shock working at all with it mounted in the front. Someone please correct me if my reasoning is wrong.
Thats if you still use a leaf spring.. most that move
the shock to the front are using ladder bars or a
4-link set up.... with a coil over the spring has
to be stronger to hold the higher weight on it due
to the percentage that the shock moved forward... the
valving in the shock needs to be adjusted also for the
same percentage... so maybe you can get lucky on the
valving.. but thats just a guess
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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03/31/15 04:35 PM
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I understand how vertical mounts work better on a drag car. What I'm having trouble getting my (little) mind around is the in front of the axle mount. On the hit the housing is doing two things, it's trying to rotate the front up and also separate from the body. with the shock on the back side this motion is all in the same direction, shock extension. Now with the shock in the front, the axle is trying to rotate up (compress the shock) and at the same time separate from the body (extend the shock). I can't see a single adjustable shock working at all with it mounted in the front. Someone please correct me if my reasoning is wrong.
Thats if you still use a leaf spring.. most that move
the shock to the front are using ladder bars or a
4-link set up.... with a coil over the spring has
to be stronger to hold the higher weight on it due
to the percentage that the shock moved forward... the
valving in the shock needs to be adjusted also for the
same percentage... so maybe you can get lucky on the
valving.. but thats just a guess
Yes Mike I was referring to leaf spring cars, should've mentioned that in my post.
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
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I just did a spring relocation and mini tub on my valiant.
I used the complete cal trac setup and was contemplating the stock shock placement or vertical.
This would be a track only car
For a track only car a vertical shock is far better
due to the applied load angles... the shocks laying
over works great for cornering.. that would be the
applied load direction with a leaf spring where the
body can roll... with a ladder bar.. the bars take
the roll (or the lack of it)... a 4-link can have
roll with out a anti roll bar
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
[Re: RV2]
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Ok I will start fabricating for vertical mounts, I have to decide front or rear of housing.
Standard shocks are developed for the rear of the diff..
just something to think about
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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Ok I will start fabricating for vertical mounts, I have to decide front or rear of housing.
Standard shocks are developed for the rear of the diff..
just something to think about
Just wondering out loud, if it's such a big difference in valving from front to back of the rear. On a truck where they mount them on both sides of the rear they don't spec a shock for either side.
No they dont... but they arent race shocks either..
can they work in the front.. maybe.. depends on the
load applied to them... the shock in front will travel
less distance vs being in back
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
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So running the shock up front with a leaf spring combo would gain no advantage?
Stock leafs or superstock springs probably not. But do a search on bullet or few other sites, you will see the really fast leaf cars with mono's and caltracks or smith bars are running them in front.
Who? That's not what I see at the track. The baddest leaf car around is likely Rhodes, his are in the rear. It's all about leverage and the farther from the pivot point(front of spring) the more control you have of that leverage
Monte
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
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So running the shock up front with a leaf spring combo would gain no advantage?
Stock leafs or superstock springs probably not. But do a search on bullet or few other sites, you will see the really fast leaf cars with mono's and caltracks or smith bars are running them in front.
Who? That's not what I see at the track. The baddest leaf car around is likely Rhodes, his are in the rear. It's all about leverage and the farther from the pivot point(front of spring) the more control you have of that leverage
Monte
Thanks for calling me out Monte, simply stating what I found in searching on this subject. I dont have names, most people on these sites post using silly screen name like I do. I was very curious on this exact subject so I spent some time searching it on the web as I am building a new car for no other reason than my own personal satisfaction. I am not a 100th as deep in this sport as you so again thanks. What I thought before I did the search was that it stands to reason that a shock mounted in front of the axel may need to be valved a bit stiffer or diferently than a shock mounted behing the axel based on leverage. The logic behind my statment was simply a stock or even for that matter a supserstock leaf spring without a Caltrack or Smith bar type settup has a lot of flex and axel wrap and it probably wouldnt make much difference if the shock was in front or behind the axel. I was just curious why so many were putting them in front instead when equiped with a traction aid like the calvert or smith. Again this is just based on what I saw on the damn internet.
The shocks job is to control the housing and that control does not include rotation.......THAT is the job of the spring or the traction device. At the hit, the power is basically trying to "throw" the housing out from under the car. The job of the shock is to control this action and the reaction. If your front mounted shock is also in a position that it is attempting to control housing twist, your housing control is seriously diminished. So to combat this, you stiffen the front of the spring by whatever means and let the shock do what the shock does.
As to whether a car CAME with the shock in front or behind the housing from the factory, has to do with ONE thing and that is where was it the easiest to place. Has nothing to do with what works better
Monte
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
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04/02/15 06:33 PM
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When I moved my leafs inboard on my Challenger I went verticle with my shocks also at the same time.
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
[Re: Porter67]
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I tried to read this through but how much travel would one need mounting them vert?
Ive the 9 way ranchos still new that came with the monos and caltracks and a pair of Qa1 doubles and they are both 13.5 inches in the body length and if I mounted them on the caltack plates I would have 4.5-5 inches at rest.
Is that enough with the mono springs? Since I looked at the lower mounting kit from jegs the dam things have went up $5 in the last 7 months so if I need them for more room I will get them now. I don't think that 4 5 inches at rest is good and 2 inches seems enuff for compression generally with the junk I've worked on and others I've eeen.
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
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Even street driving 2" of compression has proven to be enuff for me and others I know leaving the rest for extension to avoid bottoming out.
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