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HEMI Rods in a Stock Stroke 440 #1551183 12/21/13 07:44 PM 12/21/13 07:44 PM
Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 84 Colorado F funnycar65 OP member
funnycar65 OP member F Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 84 Colorado	Will it be ok in a street motor?

Re: HEMI Rods in a Stock Stroke 440 [Re: funnycar65] #1551184 12/21/13 07:48 PM 12/21/13 07:48 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,451 Florida STAYcation dOoC The village idiot's idiot
dOoC The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,451 Florida STAYcation	WAY toooo much additional weight ....

Re: HEMI Rods in a Stock Stroke 440 [Re: dOoC] #1551185 12/21/13 07:50 PM 12/21/13 07:50 PM
Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 84 Colorado F funnycar65 OP member
funnycar65 OP member F Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 84 Colorado	I have a new set of Eagle H beams thats why I ask

Re: HEMI Rods in a Stock Stroke 440 [Re: funnycar65] #1551186 12/21/13 07:56 PM 12/21/13 07:56 PM
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B G Racing master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA	The Eagle Hemi and 440 rods are similar,depending on the length,6.860,7.000,7.100 etc.They usually do not differintiate hemi or wedge,just Chrysler rod.The stock hemi rods are definately way heavier and usually 6.860 length. [IMG]http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq21/ajcasini/max_zpsdppwd9km.jpg[/IMG]

Re: HEMI Rods in a Stock Stroke 440 [Re: B G Racing] #1551187 12/21/13 08:01 PM 12/21/13 08:01 PM
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dakotawilly mopar D Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 515 geezer acres rest home	don't forget the nascar hemi boat anchor rods,they would be good to about 3000 rpm in a 440 before the massive centrifical weight sent it into catastrophic supernova,but,probably take 3 days to rev that high..... SFI 25.5 depends,no leak,even at 213 mph....

Re: HEMI Rods in a Stock Stroke 440 [Re: dakotawilly] #1551188 12/21/13 08:05 PM 12/21/13 08:05 PM
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funnycar65 OP member F Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 84 Colorado	just checked my Eagles are 6.860 Last edited by funnycar65; 12/21/13 08:06 PM.

Re: HEMI Rods in a Stock Stroke 440 [Re: B G Racing] #1551189 12/21/13 08:11 PM 12/21/13 08:11 PM
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HYPER8oSoNic top fuel H Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,275 Desert Tracker	Unless you are doing some sustained high RPM endurance/road race/circle track operation, I would pass on those heavy HEMI forgings. Overkill in a 6-6.5k RPM 440 motor. 440 spec MP rods, Scat, Eagle, Crower or even a good set of LY rods with ARP rod bolts would suffice. You want to have strength but have a lighter than factory bobweight spec on the rotating assembly. "Stupidity is Ignorance on Steroids" "Yeah, it's hopped to over 160" (quote by Kowalski in the movie Vanishing Point 1970 - Cupid Productions)

Re: HEMI Rods in a Stock Stroke 440 [Re: funnycar65] #1551190 12/21/13 08:12 PM 12/21/13 08:12 PM
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dakotawilly mopar D Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 515 geezer acres rest home	bobs right...the only difference may be just the pin size... SFI 25.5 depends,no leak,even at 213 mph....

Re: HEMI Rods in a Stock Stroke 440 [Re: funnycar65] #1551191 12/21/13 09:44 PM 12/21/13 09:44 PM
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qwkmopardan super stock Q Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 883 Affton MO	Are you going to get custom pistons or put different bushings in the rods. Hemi wrist pins are 1.031 and wedge wrist pins are 1.094.

Re: HEMI Rods in a Stock Stroke 440 [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #1551192 12/22/13 04:54 AM 12/22/13 04:54 AM
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JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,043 U.S.S.A.	Quote: Unless you are doing some sustained high RPM endurance/road race/circle track operation, I would pass on those heavy HEMI forgings. Overkill in a 6-6.5k RPM 440 motor. 440 spec MP rods, Scat, Eagle, Crower or even a good set of LY rods with ARP rod bolts would suffice. You want to have strength but have a lighter than factory bobweight spec on the rotating assembly. He said he had Eagle H beams , they are not really a lot heavier than the 440 rod other than .100 in length and the smaller pin bore. To use the hemi length rod , as already said , you'll need a shorter piston and the pin size is probably different , but you can work around that.

Re: HEMI Rods in a Stock Stroke 440 [Re: JohnRR] #1551193 12/22/13 10:28 AM 12/22/13 10:28 AM
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B G Racing master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA	The Eagle hemi and wedge rods are basicly the same rod.Pin diameter may be either .990 or 1.030 and weight only a few grams different in the various lengths.You can not compare them to the heavy hemi only forgings from Chrysler.The assembly needs balanced reguardless.The Eagle rod is lighter than the hemi rod by a large amont and lighter than the 440 rod.The hemi Nascar rod is should not be considered unless you have them and want to use them. [IMG]http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq21/ajcasini/max_zpsdppwd9km.jpg[/IMG]

Re: HEMI Rods in a Stock Stroke 440 [Re: B G Racing] #1551194 12/22/13 03:37 PM 12/22/13 03:37 PM
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funnycar65 OP member F Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 84 Colorado	thanks for the info guys.I'm building a cheap street 440 with left over parts I have been collecting.New in the box Eagle rods I got with a bunch of HEMI stuff I bought.New 30 over JE pistons and fresh crank I got for $200 from a guy that lost his job,same with a pair of ported 906 heads that have 2.14 1.88 Manley valves I got for $100,Free block,so I might have $800 in it when I am done

Re: HEMI Rods in a Stock Stroke 440 [Re: funnycar65] #1551195 12/22/13 03:47 PM 12/22/13 03:47 PM
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Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,223 Bend,OR USA	Quote: thanks for the info guys.I'm building a cheap street 440 with left over parts I have been collecting.New in the box Eagle rods I got with a bunch of HEMI stuff I bought.New 30 over JE pistons and fresh crank I got for $200 from a guy that lost his job,same with a pair of ported 906 heads that have 2.14 1.88 Manley valves I got for $100,Free block,so I might have $800 in it when I am done Don't forget the machine work and wearable parts like main and rod bearings,piston rings and gaskest, oil and so on expences On the rods, if they are different on the wrist pin sizes than you need for the pistons you may be able to have a good machine shop like BG racing remove the wrong size bushings and rebush them to the size you need Have fun, take your time and do it correct so it will live Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

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