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My 493.....whatcha think ? #1548579
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I've got a few things to work with now. 69 440 block, 4.150 stroke crank, H-beam rods, 9.5 to 1 JE pistons, 286 casting Max Wedge heads, 64 model Max Wedge crossram intake, AFB carbs, small solid roller ( probably in 250-254 @ .050 range), Max Wedge manifolds, deep pan. I'm excited to build it .....have no experience with a big block. How ya'll think it will run ?


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Re: My 493.....whatcha think ? [Re: JC Childress] #1548580
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480 or so HP

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I think that your proposal will be good for a pump gas torque monster that will be RPM limited by the carbs, exhaust manifolds and small cam. The compression ratio will tame it a lot, too. It should be relatively civilized and long lived with a lot of wow factor


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Re: My 493.....whatcha think ? [Re: Polarapete] #1548584
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Run a solid or if a Hydraulic look at some of the Hughes Grinds that have about .560 lift and ~254/258 ish @.050 duration would be about perfect. The Comp XE that is 251/257 @ .050 is a good one too but I'd look at the comparable Hughes if it were mine. 108 or 110 spread in at around 105 should be perfect.

It'll be a blast to drive, big torque and good power through the mid 5000 range, probably peak power around 5100-5200 but it really won't fall off too badly with the Maxie manifold and the right carb set up. The heads are probably your limiting factor but the manifold has a way of getting more out of them.

I'd look for about 530hp and maybe 565-ish lb/ft pretty much flat from around 2500 to 4800.

Big cubes don't really need a lot of CR (but more will make it Happier/crisper) but it will be a LOt of fun. You could put a smaller cam in it and probably grunt out close to 600 lb/ft but IMO you won't be as happy with the power curve, you almost want enough cam to take a little off the very bottom, after all you don't want it to feel like a 455 oldsmobile

The maxie ram-horn manifolds really don't give away much at all to say a 1 3/4" tube header, and they look really killer under-hood....wish I had a set!!

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Re: My 493.....whatcha think ? [Re: Streetwize] #1548585
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I'll post dyno results after we run it but I think it will run a little better than expected.....but, the dyno doesnt lie....lol


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480 or so HP


It should, if assembled and blueprinted properly, make a lot more than that My first dyno tested 426C.I. M.W. pump gas motor made 499.6 HP at 5900 RPM and a lot ,more torque than HP with similar parts The 499 should make close to 600 Hp and 670 Ft. lbs tuned up


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Thats almost exactly what I had in mind....based on what I've seen from stuff we've dyno'd.


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Re: My 493.....whatcha think ? [Re: JC Childress] #1548588
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We built pretty much the same thing for my uncles car, we had more compression though IIRC, and it made 670 HP and I want to say 710 lbs ft ! It was in a gutted 64 Plymouth ran 10.20s all day long ! It went the best of 10.10 in the mine shaft ! Good comb !

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didn't Andy do an A&A (allegedly better then the OEM Maxie intake) on his 514 with more compression, Indy EZ's and a larger cam and it made I think 640-ish?

I think you can make 600 lb/ft+ with the right streetable cam but the 600-ish HP might still be a stretch with the low CR and (lower) hydraulic lift cam.

The Hughes cams seem to have among the best rate of lift for duration hydraulics out there, it will help because the Stage III heads tend to stall at low lifts so to make power you typically have to old school "hang em and squeeze it" (long duration & high compression to hang on to the torque well past peak to get the RPM)


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Re: My 493.....whatcha think ? [Re: Streetwize] #1548590
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Mine wont have a hydraulic cam in it.


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480 or so HP


It should, if assembled and blueprinted properly, make a lot more than that My first dyno tested 426C.I. M.W. pump gas motor made 499.6 HP at 5900 RPM and a lot ,more torque than HP with similar parts The 499 should make close to 600 Hp and 670 Ft. lbs tuned up




I was guessing and it was abit low, i was going to say around 480 to 520 or so.

The combo of 9.5 comp, stock 64 cross ram intake and the stock MW exhaust manifolds would hold it back HP wise. But I bet it would make lots of torque around midrange or so. Close to 600+ or so.

I have never tested, but heard the stock crossrams were hp killers, they were more designed for torque.

I am quite interested though to see what JC,s engine combo puts out

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My bad, I saw 250-254 and assumed (misread) you were going hyd flat tap

Yeah with a roller you could should see 600hp and and over 620 lb/ft at 493 cubes

Smallish SR you should probably spread the scenters a tad and put it in a little late to help the top end a bit, torque will be massive with a roller, just got to get it to hang on.


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but, the dyno doesnt lie....lol




Dynos lie more than you think , get it installed in a car and run it at the track , that lies less.

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but, the dyno doesnt lie....lol




Dynos lie more than you think , get it installed in a car and run it at the track , that lies less.




Was goin to say this earlier but didn`t and you can "correct" any #`s you`d like for a "happy" dyno sheet.............


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but, the dyno doesnt lie....lol




Dynos lie more than you think , get it installed in a car and run it at the track , that lies less.





Oh that is so true. I loved years ago when my 400 hp Dart spanked a guys 600 plus hp Camato ! Dyno is a great place to tune the eng and get the numbers but the track tells the truth. Ron

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but, the dyno doesnt lie....lol




Dynos lie more than you think , get it installed in a car and run it at the track , that lies less.





Oh that is so true. I loved years ago when my 400 hp Dart spanked a guys 600 plus hp Camato ! Dyno is a great place to tune the eng and get the numbers but the track tells the truth. Ron


Traction with less power can outrun more power without traction Dyno can lie, post or print false numbers, if the operator wants to jiggle the input set up to make the customer happy or make his dyno "better" than the other ones around there shop If the dyno is not calibrated correctly it will not be accurate either Lots of ways to get fooled As said at the track racing will give you the results that the motor can do in the car, all things considered


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Sure you can make a dyno read what you want...but why ? When you do this everyday, the dyno is just another tool in the toolbox. I know there are some hyped up dyno numbers out there but they will always be found out in the end. I know not all dynos are the same but they shouldnt be in left field if folks do things right. The dragstrip is the tell all but that also varies with track conditions, weather , etc. Weve done enough engines and folks know our dyno and our reputation......where I work is Kowalsky Racing Engines. www.kowalskyracing.com I'll post the numbers when its done....thanks for all the input from everyone.


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I forgot to state on that M.W. motor all testing was done with headers The first set was a set of hooker 1 7/8 primary pipes with a 3.5 inch collector for the A bodies, the dyno operator made a set of dyno BB Mopar wedge headers that where 2 1/4 primarys, 25 inches long into a 4 inch collectors, I thought they would hurt the motor down low, they picked up the average by around 17 HP and 20 ft. lbs (tested from 3000 to 6500 RPM) All the gains where above 3500 RPM


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