Re: fired up my drag week prodject
[Re: Big Squeeze]
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12/17/13 01:58 AM
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I dont know what it takes with you but I put 2 cams in like I said... one wide LSA and no lope and one with a tight LSA and it loped ALL the rest of the engine same... but I'll go back and tell the cam lab guys they have been wrong all these years... as well as the cam companies Oh..... I NEVER have black in the carb.... so lets just say you have your idea and I have mine and let the guys think what they want... OK
I don't know what it takes with you, but I've got $2,000 cash that says I'm right and your wrong....I'll PROVE it to you in person.....Come take my money....... If 2K isn't enough for you to fly or drive to Oklahoma, name the amount......3K?? 4K?? 5K?? Name it.......
I'm not saying that what you've done isn't happening........I believe you......but it's because of reversion.....the motor is idling on exhaust because more overlap is allowing more exhaust into the intake tract.......Do you test with zoomie headers or block hugger headers and see what happens........
Cam lab guys aren't working with zoomies.......Tell them to try zoomies and see what happens......
I never said your motor had black soot in the intake or carb....I've seen that on customer's cars and figured you may have seen that before?? Guess not...
I don't have an "idea" or "theory" like you've already said.......I have FACT.........and I'll prove that you're the one with "ideas" and "theories".....and I'll even pay you to prove me wrong.......
SLOW67..........You're not reading everything I'm saying......YES.....the camshaft will change the idle BUT it's because of reversion, not "pulling in part of the next fuel charge"
Blusmbl.....I agree......I never said that a camshaft doesn't effect the sound, or "lopeyness" of an idle.......All I'm saying is that you can take ANY motor with zoomies, and it won't have a "lopey" idle, unless timing is way retarded and it's very rich........AND THAT'S A FACT THAT I'LL WAGER ON
The OP's motor sounds perfect......and to change the camshaft just to TRY to get a different sound is crazy IMHO......
OK... you win... your the genius and I'm the idiot and you can shove the money you know where... your type crack me up... bet big money and hope they dont go for it..... if you were/are talking a pressurize engine then your statement would be right BUT we arent so I dont buy your BS.... and this will be the last post for me on this........ you win PS.... by the way NO IDIOT would run zoomies on a N/A engine if you want to make it work
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Re: fired up my drag week prodject
[Re: Big Squeeze]
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12/17/13 09:37 AM
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Blusmbl.....I agree......I never said that a camshaft doesn't effect the sound, or "lopeyness" of an idle.......All I'm saying is that you can take ANY motor with zoomies, and it won't have a "lopey" idle, unless timing is way retarded and it's very rich.....so, if I can prove to you guys that that's actually true, then it's the EXHAUST SYSTEM (including headers) and NOT so much the camshaft causing the "lopey" idle...AND THAT'S A FACT THAT I'LL WAGER ON
That's true, and I'm not taking your bet.
At the point where you have 8 injection stacks and zoomies, you've got essentially 8 individual engines on one common crankshaft. Discarding 2 strokes, I don't think I've ever heard a single cylinder motor with a choppy idle.
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Re: fired up my drag week prodject
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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12/17/13 11:32 AM
12/17/13 11:32 AM
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OK... you win... your the genius and I'm the idiot and you can shove the money you know where... your type crack me up... bet big money and hope they dont go for it..... if you were/are talking a pressurize engine then your statement would be right BUT we arent so I dont buy your BS.... and this will be the last post for me on this........ you win PS.... by the way NO IDIOT would run zoomies on a N/A engine if you want to make it work
You say I win, and then say what I'm saying is "BS"...Too bad you're not open minded enough to learn something...
I'll PayPal the money today....where's it need to go?? Who's an unbiased third party we can use?? How about Ray Meyers? Where's the "BS" now, Mr. ThinkHeKnowsEverything??
You're type crack me up, you think by saying "and this will be the last post for me on this' that it makes you right....
Heck for 3K, I'll load up my test stand with a motor on it and come to your house and win the bet....step up...
If that doesn't work for you, how about you paypal Wade Metzinger or Clark Lamb and either one can drive out to my shop and I'll demo for them?? I'll even PayPal $500 to a third party and take your word that you'll pay me when I win...step up...now who's BSing??
Blusmbl....I'm talking about a carburetor on a single plane intake with zoomies or block hugger headers that are open...
What you guys don't get is that this is NOT "theory" or my "opinion", unlike what P-body is saying...I HAVE done this back to back to back...
I had a 422" small block Chrysler running on my test stand with long tube headers, single plane intake and 950 carb...it idled about 950RPM.....ALL I did was remove the long tube headers and install block hugger "shorty" headers and I couldn't get it to idle below 1,500RPM with the throttle blades all the way shut.....FREAKED me out..... I put the long tube headers back on and it idled right back down to 950 WITH the throttle blades back open to where they were before...... Headers was ALL I changed......NOTHING else.......
It's the things you learn after you know it all that really help the most....
If you can't handle the truth, you're living a lie.......
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Re: fired up my drag week prodject
[Re: Big Squeeze]
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12/17/13 10:42 PM
12/17/13 10:42 PM
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Wow... Nothing but crickets...
You'd think that if someone were to call me a liar and then say I'm bluffing on the bet would step up and own their statements and gladly take my money??
You can't be a puddin' boy all your life....Teach me a lesson and take my money Mr. KnowEverything....
Maybe you're afraid that you're not as smart as you want everyone to believe??? If that's the case, you should be more careful at choosing your battles and who you call a liar and BSer....
Hey your the one thats suppose to know it all... I just let it drop... continue on if it floats your boat... but I will say one think before I leave... why do the cam companies say it has a rough idle or very rough idle when they have no clue to the exhaust... SO thats my final on this... carry on
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Re: fired up my drag week prodject
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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12/17/13 10:56 PM
12/17/13 10:56 PM
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Hey your the one thats suppose to know it all...
That's the pot calling the kettle black.....You're the one saying that I'm BSing because apparently YOU know it all....when the FACT is I've done what I've described.....
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I just let it drop... continue on if it floats your boat... but I will say one think before I leave... why do the cam companies say it has a rough idle or very rough idle when they have no clue to the exhaust... SO thats my final on this... carry on
Because they're appealing to the masses.......and the masses don't know how to degree a camshaft, jet a carburetor or adjust valves.......That's why...... The masses actually ASK for a cam with a "lopey" idle with no care for performance!!! That's absolutely insane IMHO.....You'll never see a racer do a cam swap to try to achieve a more "lopey" idle..... Cam companies know that 99% of their cams go into cars with full length headers and exhaust systems and not into dragsters with zoomies.......put zoomies on ANY motor with a "lopey" idle and it'll idle like it's got a vacuum leak because it'll be pulling in fresh air through the header pipe....no if's, and's or butt's..........
AGAIN........You're not reading what I'm saying....I'm saying that the overlap is allowing exhaust to run back up the intake tract and that's why a motor idles "lopey" and you're disagreeing with that...........
Truth is, I don't want to "carry on" with this internet crap......I want to DO what it takes to show you how much you don't know......but I'm not going to do it for free.....We all pay for lessons in life......but you're too scared to step up and own your comments........
Why won't you take my money?? If you're so smart, and you're so sure I'm BSing, it's any easy $2,000, $3,000 or even $5,000.........Man up...... While you keeping avoiding my questions and I'll be over here turning blue from holding my breath...........
Holy cow, SledgIE, that's definitely too low.....
If you can't handle the truth, you're living a lie.......
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Re: fired up my drag week prodject
[Re: Big Squeeze]
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12/17/13 11:08 PM
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Hey your the one thats suppose to know it all...
That's the pot calling the kettle black.....You're the one saying that I'm BSing because apparently YOU know it all....when the FACT is I've done what I've described.....
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I just let it drop... continue on if it floats your boat... but I will say one think before I leave... why do the cam companies say it has a rough idle or very rough idle when they have no clue to the exhaust... SO thats my final on this... carry on
Because they're appealing to the masses.......and the masses don't know how to degree a camshaft, jet a carburetor or adjust valves.......That's why...... The masses actually ASK for a cam with a "lopey" idle with no care for performance!!! That's absolutely insane IMHO.....You'll never see a racer do a cam swap to try to achieve a more "lopey" idle.....
AGAIN........You're not reading what I'm saying....I'm saying that the overlap is allowing exhaust to run back up the intake tract and that's why a motor idles "lopey" and you're disagreeing with that...........
Truth is, I don't want to "carry on" with this internet crap......I want to DO what it takes to show you how much you don't know......but I'm not going to do it for free.....We all pay for lessons in life......but you're too scared to step up and own your comments........
Why won't you take my money?? If you're so smart, and you're so sure I'm BSing, it's any easy $2,000, $3,000 or even $5,000.........Man up...... While you keeping avoiding my questions and I'll be over here turning blue from holding my breath...........
if your thinking im wanting to change the cam in my motor for a more lopey idle you didn't read what all I typed
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Re: fired up my drag week prodject
[Re: Big Squeeze]
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12/17/13 11:09 PM
12/17/13 11:09 PM
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OK... you win... your the genius and I'm the idiot and you can shove the money you know where... your type crack me up... bet big money and hope they dont go for it..... if you were/are talking a pressurize engine then your statement would be right BUT we arent so I dont buy your BS.... and this will be the last post for me on this........ you win PS.... by the way NO IDIOT would run zoomies on a N/A engine if you want to make it work
You say I win, and then say what I'm saying is "BS"...Too bad you're not open minded enough to learn something...
I'll PayPal the money today....where's it need to go?? Who's an unbiased third party we can use?? How about Ray Meyers? Where's the "BS" now, Mr. ThinkHeKnowsEverything??
You're type crack me up, you think by saying "and this will be the last post for me on this' that it makes you right....
Heck for 3K, I'll load up my test stand with a motor on it and come to your house and win the bet....step up...
If that doesn't work for you, how about you paypal Wade Metzinger or Clark Lamb and either one can drive out to my shop and I'll demo for them?? I'll even PayPal $500 to a third party and take your word that you'll pay me when I win...step up...now who's BSing??
Blusmbl....I'm talking about a carburetor on a single plane intake with zoomies or block hugger headers that are open...
What you guys don't get is that this is NOT "theory" or my "opinion", unlike what P-body is saying...I HAVE done this back to back to back...
I had a 422" small block Chrysler running on my test stand with long tube headers, single plane intake and 950 carb...it idled about 950RPM.....ALL I did was remove the long tube headers and install block hugger "shorty" headers and I couldn't get it to idle below 1,500RPM with the throttle blades all the way shut.....FREAKED me out..... I put the long tube headers back on and it idled right back down to 950 WITH the throttle blades back open to where they were before...... Headers was ALL I changed......NOTHING else.......
It's the things you learn after you know it all that really help the most....
everyone please paypal your money to me at iopbeachdude@hotmail.com
I need to be faster than Headhunter
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Re: fired up my drag week prodject
[Re: sixpackgut]
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12/17/13 11:27 PM
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OK... you win... your the genius and I'm the idiot and you can shove the money you know where... your type crack me up... bet big money and hope they dont go for it..... if you were/are talking a pressurize engine then your statement would be right BUT we arent so I dont buy your BS.... and this will be the last post for me on this........ you win PS.... by the way NO IDIOT would run zoomies on a N/A engine if you want to make it work
You say I win, and then say what I'm saying is "BS"...Too bad you're not open minded enough to learn something...
I'll PayPal the money today....where's it need to go?? Who's an unbiased third party we can use?? How about Ray Meyers? Where's the "BS" now, Mr. ThinkHeKnowsEverything??
You're type crack me up, you think by saying "and this will be the last post for me on this' that it makes you right....
Heck for 3K, I'll load up my test stand with a motor on it and come to your house and win the bet....step up...
If that doesn't work for you, how about you paypal Wade Metzinger or Clark Lamb and either one can drive out to my shop and I'll demo for them?? I'll even PayPal $500 to a third party and take your word that you'll pay me when I win...step up...now who's BSing??
Blusmbl....I'm talking about a carburetor on a single plane intake with zoomies or block hugger headers that are open...
What you guys don't get is that this is NOT "theory" or my "opinion", unlike what P-body is saying...I HAVE done this back to back to back...
I had a 422" small block Chrysler running on my test stand with long tube headers, single plane intake and 950 carb...it idled about 950RPM.....ALL I did was remove the long tube headers and install block hugger "shorty" headers and I couldn't get it to idle below 1,500RPM with the throttle blades all the way shut.....FREAKED me out..... I put the long tube headers back on and it idled right back down to 950 WITH the throttle blades back open to where they were before...... Headers was ALL I changed......NOTHING else.......
It's the things you learn after you know it all that really help the most....
everyone please paypal your money to me at iopbeachdude@hotmail.com
I need to be faster than Headhunter
lol you have all ready been faster than my 10.50 car im hopeing it will run that at least if I can get it to run that and be able to drive and survive drag week im happy I wish it could be competitive but honestly I hope it will just make it thru the whole deal
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Re: fired up my drag week prodject
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12/18/13 01:46 AM
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truth is, I want to root for all the guys here on Moparts. I may try to move classes so I don't have to compete against guys I would also like to see win a class. If Tony takes his AMC again, Billy with his Valiant, and You with your Barracuda, it would just suck if none of us win the class because some cut up 1800 lb RX7 with a 25 thousand dollar engine wins again running a pathetic number
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Re: fired up my drag week prodject
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12/18/13 02:17 AM
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truth is, I want to root for all the guys here on Moparts. I may try to move classes so I don't have to compete against guys I would also like to see win a class. If Tony takes his AMC again, Billy with his Valiant, and You with your Barracuda, it would just suck if none of us win the class because some cut up 1800 lb RX7 with a 25 thousand dollar engine wins again running a pathetic number
Don't forget about little brother Dale with his Gremlin. I'll be back with the Valiant and a new small block next year, but I have a plate system, and I'll bring some big tires. That way I can choose between Modified and Pro Street, NA or Power adder, probably be too slow for any one of the four. Mostly what I root for is as many Moparts Members as possible at Registration/Tech day...then we'll sort it out from there!
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Re: fired up my drag week prodject
[Re: sixpackgut]
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12/18/13 02:35 AM
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truth is, I want to root for all the guys here on Moparts. I may try to move classes so I don't have to compete against guys I would also like to see win a class. If Tony takes his AMC again, Billy with his Valiant, and You with your Barracuda, it would just suck if none of us win the class because some cut up 1800 lb RX7 with a 25 thousand dollar engine wins again running a pathetic number
Depending where its at this year I'll be there in the Rampage... dont know if I'll run DD or unlimited and just 10s... its the only 2 classes I fit
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Re: fired up my drag week prodject
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12/18/13 12:18 PM
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truth is, I want to root for all the guys here on Moparts. I may try to move classes so I don't have to compete against guys I would also like to see win a class. If Tony takes his AMC again, Billy with his Valiant, and You with your Barracuda, it would just suck if none of us win the class because some cut up 1800 lb RX7 with a 25 thousand dollar engine wins again running a pathetic number
Don't forget about little brother Dale with his Gremlin. I'll be back with the Valiant and a new small block next year, but I have a plate system, and I'll bring some big tires. That way I can choose between Modified and Pro Street, NA or Power adder, probably be too slow for any one of the four. Mostly what I root for is as many Moparts Members as possible at Registration/Tech day...then we'll sort it out from there!
I thought Dale was in Pro Street but yes, I agree, it looks like to many of "US" are going to be in the same class
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Re: fired up my drag week prodject
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12/18/13 02:37 PM
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If you truly have 700HP then you will have NO problem out running that 10.50. That car should easily be in the mid 9's with 700hp. It worked great with 1050 hp and so so with 1350 hp. With 700 hp it will be a walk in the park.
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Re: fired up my drag week prodject
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12/19/13 12:34 AM
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If you truly have 700HP then you will have NO problem out running that 10.50. That car should easily be in the mid 9's with 700hp. It worked great with 1050 hp and so so with 1350 hp. With 700 hp it will be a walk in the park.
that's why I was saying 10.50s in case the original dyno was a happy one
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Re: fired up my drag week prodject
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12/19/13 12:36 AM
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truth is, I want to root for all the guys here on Moparts. I may try to move classes so I don't have to compete against guys I would also like to see win a class. If Tony takes his AMC again, Billy with his Valiant, and You with your Barracuda, it would just suck if none of us win the class because some cut up 1800 lb RX7 with a 25 thousand dollar engine wins again running a pathetic number
Don't forget about little brother Dale with his Gremlin. I'll be back with the Valiant and a new small block next year, but I have a plate system, and I'll bring some big tires. That way I can choose between Modified and Pro Street, NA or Power adder, probably be too slow for any one of the four. Mostly what I root for is as many Moparts Members as possible at Registration/Tech day...then we'll sort it out from there!
I thought Dale was in Pro Street but yes, I agree, it looks like to many of "US" are going to be in the same class
if mine is to slow I will be throwing a lot of spray at it so I may be in a different class.
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