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5" bore space Mopar blocks
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12/02/13 07:12 PM
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Delray beach, Florida
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If they were available, how many on here would consider using one. Naturally there would be heads, etc. to go with them.
I'm really curious if your answer is no, what the reason would be.
Naturally any engine combo like that wouldn't be cheap, so I realize that probably eliminates 98% of the people on Moparts.
Obviously nothing would be made by Mopar that would bolt on, but if you were looking for big power is that really a concern?
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
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12/02/13 07:22 PM
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Adrielp
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I have a question, do you currently have some cylinder head prototypes in the works or is this just a interest gauge?
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Adriel Paradise
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: BradH]
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12/02/13 07:43 PM
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this is my opinion. from what I see, the guys that really spend money don't even have jobs. those same guys are taking out their 632 big chief chevys and building small blocks. everyone wants to say they run a small block because a big block in most people eyes can be a 800 cube motor.
small block small tire shootouts are the most popular races I see where I'm at.
with that being said, what is the bore spacing of a gen 3 hemi and how big can it go
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
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12/02/13 08:13 PM
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If they were available, how many on here would consider using one. Naturally there would be heads, etc. to go with them.
I'm really curious if your answer is no, what the reason would be.
Naturally any engine combo like that wouldn't be cheap, so I realize that probably eliminates 98% of the people on Moparts.
Obviously nothing would be made by Mopar that would bolt on, but if you were looking for big power is that really a concern?
I have been trying to talk David into making a 5.0" Hemi block/head combo.
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
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12/03/13 12:48 PM
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I personally think our engines are too big and powerful now. It's hard to hook them up if the track is marginal. 800 horsepower works good and is obtainable with a pump gas Hemi. But since you want to talk about it...
It could be done by the right man. We know what we want. Externally it would look like a 426 Hemi, but it would be wider bore spacing and taller decks. The valve gear and ports would look like what Kaase and Sonny sell now.
Kaase and Sonny have done all the R&D for us already. We are not trying to reinvent the wheel. Just set a 426 Hemi block and a Sonny's 5" Hemi on the bench and morph them.
It would be nice if Chrysler would get involved but that's probably not going to happen.
50 years ago Lynn Townsend walked out of his office and told his engineers "build the Hemi" and changed our lives forever. 40 years ago Keith Black built the aluminum Hemi. Now would be a good time for another man with vision to step up.
It wouldn't have to be for the money but it did make Keith Black and Sonny rich.
It would be for the dream. Just like 130 years ago when Karl Benz invented the small engine which made possible the automobile. You have to have a man of vision and work ethic to get anything done.
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
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12/03/13 01:17 PM
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Funny! I want the whole motor for $5500, 1500 hp, low mantenance  Seriously, a look at how many B1TS motors have been built ought to shed light on the market out there. If the power potential was up there like the BBC stuff, and the cost was reasonable (on par), then MAYBE the Mopar deal might sell some. But not being able to use a lot of stock based stuff (different crank, intakes, heads,water pump type, etc) ) will narrow the market to the point I doubt that it could be priced competitively.
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
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12/03/13 01:30 PM
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Funny! I want the whole motor for $5500, 1500 hp, low mantenance
Seriously, a look at how many B1TS motors have been built ought to shed light on the market out there. If the power potential was up there like the BBC stuff, and the cost was reasonable (on par), then MAYBE the Mopar deal might sell some. But not being able to use a lot of stock based stuff (different crank, intakes, heads,water pump type, etc) ) will narrow the market to the point I doubt that it could be priced competitively. [/quote
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
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12/03/13 01:44 PM
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Will I be able to use my new 60mm roller Purpleshaft .509 cam???? 
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: cudaman1969]
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12/03/13 01:47 PM
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I wish I had the means. I've got a pretty decent mental capacity to design some things. If I had the means, I would sell the block associated parts at cost with maybe a $50-100 profit margin because I personally would rather flood the market with outstanding mopar based parts than make a profit. But for me, it would be a side project and for most, they are trying make a living off of it. I'm built different in that way. I just wish we had more crazy mopar fanatics willing to throw money at a development project like this. When Mike Moran built and designed his new 5.3 BS turbo hemi motor, I have to believe he was just building something he thought would be cool because I doubt he will turn a major profit with it being that the market audience is so small. He just wanted to advance turbo technology. I say why not advance Mopars as well.
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: cudaman1969]
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12/03/13 01:49 PM
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Guess my question is whats the point? There are already plenty of 5" and 5.3" bore space stuff out there on the market. They are not Ford or Chevy so why try and make something and call it Mopar? Those 5 and 5.3BS engines are purpose built race pieces period. If someone wants to step up to that level there are options out there now.
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
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12/03/13 02:37 PM
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Guess my question is whats the point? There are already plenty of 5" and 5.3" bore space stuff out there on the market. They are not Ford or Chevy so why try and make something and call it Mopar? Those 5 and 5.3BS engines are purpose built race pieces period. If someone wants to step up to that level there are options out there now.
 Why would someone want to build another one of these, just to call it a Mopar? It costs a ton o money in head research and configuration and then you have to sell them. Indy has a 4.84 bore center block for the 600-13 head, but that head doesn't get it done like a predator would. Although, who could blame them for not spending the money to do it? Besides, people would say it's not a Mopar anyway.......buy a "purpose built race motor" if you want more power, period.
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