Why the different sounding starters??
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The reman starter on my 78 Fury sounds like a slant six starter. Every V8 from 1975 and up has a different sound than the 74-older. The older ones seem to crank slower and have more of a slant six sound to them. It drives me crazy. I dont want to put a mini starter on it. I want it to sound right. It bugs me that much! Can anyone explain this?
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Re: Why the different sounding starters??
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I have many mini starters. I refuse to use them simply because of the sound. They sound like a newer Chevy or import
1969 Nova 454/M21/3.31 Mild mid-11 second weekend cruiser
1994 F150 XLT Super Cab 2WD 5.0/4R70W/3.55 (Daily driver)
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Re: Why the different sounding starters??
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I have many mini starters. I refuse to use them simply because of the sound. They sound like a newer Chevy or import
True, but they are really more efficient. I actually hardly hear my starter, maybe a full second when starting up. Lights up quick
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Re: Why the different sounding starters??
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It's the older gear reduction starters that had that MoPar sound.
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Re: Why the different sounding starters??
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11/20/08 06:54 PM
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Oh yeah, I know the '75 and up were rated at a higher HP. Probably whatever changes were made to achieve that changed the sound....
Beginning in 75,360 and up got the 1.8hp starter,/6 and 318 still used the 1.5hp starter.
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Re: Why the different sounding starters??
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I like the mini starter because it doesn't take 2 hours to put in like the huge original one.
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Re: Why the different sounding starters??
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The tinny "slant six" starter sound is made by the light duty 1.5 horsepower starter whereas the V8 sound is from the HD 1.8 horsepower unit. They sound different because they`re different internally with a much different reduction ratio, bigger, faster motor, shock cushioned drive pinion and a pinion brake that stops the pinion from rattling on after the engine starts.
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Re: Why the different sounding starters??
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11/21/08 03:06 PM
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I like the mini starter because it doesn't take 2 hours to put in like the huge original one.
I'm with you. Especially on an A body with headers. Also, with the higher compression I am running, the engine turns over MUCH faster, I don't have heat soak problems, and it's half the weight. I can live with the sound. Funny how guys don't like the starter sound but will hack their exhaust. I've met a few of those.
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Re: Why the different sounding starters??
[Re: groundpoint6]
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before you spend a lot of money on a new mini starter, use a rebuilt, just use this application, 1991 Dodge Ram pick up with a 5.9 engine.
Thanks, but I have a pile of them. From the older Mitsu to the newer Denso. I dont care for them. I have a Denso on my Cuda simply because its 11.2:1 and headers, but on everything else, I want it to sound like its supposed to. I can agree with startling people with the sound the old fish makes when it fires up! Gotta love it!
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Re: Why the different sounding starters??
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Funny how guys don't like the starter sound but will hack their exhaust. I've met a few of those.
Funny...I dont have to hack the exhaust on my Barracuda to use either the big starter or the mini. Small block, headers, and a 4-speed...cluttered with clutch linkage! Have a nice day!
Mine fits the big also, but I don't have any heat problems, and I bet I can change my mini a whole lot faster. Hm what starter is on the new hemis?
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Re: Why the different sounding starters??
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Re: Why the different sounding starters??
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I like the mini starter because it doesn't take 2 hours to put in like the huge original one.
still took me two hours, more like 3. had to lift the engine an inch or so and drop the header.
sigh...
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Re: Why the different sounding starters??
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Well truth be told as an old school guy it took me a long time to cross the line and stop using the old world starter, but I must say the new mini starter (which I now use) does take less amps and is a better starter, especially when used with a trunk mounted battery. If you are interested in one, before you spend a lot of money on a new mini starter, use a rebuilt, just use this application, 1991 Dodge Ram pick up ith a 5.9 engine.
Why use a Rebuilt when A new From Mopar is Cheaper.
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Re: Why the different sounding starters??
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11/22/08 02:50 PM
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Well, here's something else to consider. I use the mini starter on my '65 - 440/12.5:1 with MSD. The engine starts so quick you don't hear the starter anyway. Modern engines with good ignitions don't crank for 30 seconds before starting . Even the old starters won't make that sound if the engine starts instantly. Maybe some purists who still run original ignition systems with point distributors may enjoy the sound of the old-style starters that crank a long time before starting.
Modern engines start instantly because they are fuel injected.
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