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Re: Borgeson Stering Box
[Re: BigBlockMopar]
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01/24/14 11:44 AM
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Doesnt Peter sell the right lines for the Federal pump?
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Re: Borgeson Stering Box
[Re: BigBlockMopar]
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01/24/14 01:22 PM
01/24/14 01:22 PM
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Mopar Mitch
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PLUS... the FEDERAL PUMPS will likely NOT be able to keep up with quick l-r-l-r etc steering response, as we all should know by now. ONLY use the SAGINAW pumps for quick steering response.
Mopar Mitch
"Road racers and autocrossers go in deeper and come out harder!"... and rain never stops us from having fun with our cars... in fact, it makes us better drivers!
Check out MOPAR ACTION MAGAZINE, August 2006 issue for feature article and specs on my autocross T/A!
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Re: Borgeson Stering Box
[Re: BigBlockMopar]
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01/25/14 01:52 AM
01/25/14 01:52 AM
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Lethbridge, AB, Canada
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The description of the hose-kit on Summit ( brg-925102 ) says indeed;
"Connects GM power steering pumps to 1979-97 Mustang rack and pinion."
You need to have a Saginaw steeringpump with this kit with it's fitting on the back of the pump.
The Federal (type) pumps are different and the hosekit ends are angled wrong for these pumps aswell.
thanks for answering this! I probably have the right kit then, do I still have to buy adapters with this hose kit?
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Re: Borgeson Stering Box
[Re: Mopar Mitch]
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02/03/14 01:35 PM
02/03/14 01:35 PM
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PLUS... the FEDERAL PUMPS will likely NOT be able to keep up with quick l-r-l-r etc steering response, as we all should know by now. ONLY use the SAGINAW pumps for quick steering response.
Federal has survived many track events, more than most will ever do. Track events and autocross are two different things any way. Personally, I'm not a fan of autocross.
The clear up the hose issue, here are some facts.
1. Adapters are required due to the metric thread in the new box.
2. I make adapters for 69 and down with the smaller male pressure fitting, 70-72 with the larger male pressure fitting. For 73 and up, I included an earlier hose with the proper female end to adapt to the larger 70-72 pressure fitting.
3.Borgeson has hoses, but they are general fit and very stiff. My kit is designed to use your pressure and return hoses for a true bolt in fit.
Any other questions feel free to PM me or contact me directly through my site Bergmanautocraft.com.
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Re: Borgeson Stering Box
[Re: floridian]
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02/07/14 04:51 PM
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It is a good deal in any application if you ask me. Lighter,more compact,excellent feel and better ratio. Only thing it isnt is cheap.
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Re: Borgeson Stering Box
[Re: floridian]
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02/07/14 07:33 PM
02/07/14 07:33 PM
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What about using the Borgeson box for street use only?? I hadn't driven my car in a while and was really surprised at how bad the stock steering is...
I use my Borgeson steering box every day. 100% street use only.
Occassionally I take a drive in one of my other cars and the looseness of the steering is the first thing that occurs to me.
What the Borg-box makes real clear compared to an old steeringbox is that I can now drive around without having to make numerous steering wheel corrections on normally straight roads.
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Re: Borgeson Stering Box
[Re: BigBlockMopar]
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02/08/14 06:32 PM
02/08/14 06:32 PM
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Mopar Mitch
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Can anyone here suggest how the tightness of the Borgeson psbox compares to a FirmFeel stage 1-2 or 3 firmness after its been re-conditioned? What level (1-2-3) would it compare to? (I believe Steer'n'Gear offers similar firmness in their re-conditioning, so, we should include them, too.)
Mopar Mitch
"Road racers and autocrossers go in deeper and come out harder!"... and rain never stops us from having fun with our cars... in fact, it makes us better drivers!
Check out MOPAR ACTION MAGAZINE, August 2006 issue for feature article and specs on my autocross T/A!
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Re: Borgeson Stering Box
[Re: Mopar Mitch]
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02/08/14 06:48 PM
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I have the Firm Feel stage 3 on my 69 Barracuda, and it's good, except for the fact there is still some just off center numbness. For Autocrossing it's not ideal. I'm putting the Borgeson in my 67 Valiant because if it's anything like the newer Cherokee it came out of, it will be better...
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Re: Borgeson Stering Box
[Re: Mopar Mitch]
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02/08/14 07:20 PM
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Granite Bay CA
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Can anyone here suggest how the tightness of the Borgeson psbox compares to a FirmFeel stage 1-2 or 3 firmness after its been re-conditioned? What level (1-2-3) would it compare to? (I believe Steer'n'Gear offers similar firmness in their re-conditioning, so, we should include them, too.)
"I have the Firm Feel stage 3 on my 69 Barracuda, and it's good, except for the fact there is still some just off center numbness."
I have the Stage 3 in my Charger. As long as I am turning (The steering under a load) it feels fine. It is the feeling just a few degrees either side of center that I don't like. My 186,000 mile 2007 Ram feels tight as can be at all steering angles. I wish that the FF box felt as good. I'd be more inclined to keep it and forget any other option.
I like what Hotchkis has done to promote their stuff: Having a test vehicle at car events to showcase the capabilities of Mopars with their parts installed. I would LOVE to drive a Borgeson equipped car to know what to expect. Reviews are great but nothing beats feeling it for yourself. If these kits were dirt cheap I'd take the risk without question. I'm not doubting the value of the Borgeson unit, I'm just not willing to spend the cash unless I'm sure I'll like it.
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Re: Borgeson Stering Box
[Re: Tomswheels]
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02/09/14 10:10 AM
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I have the Firm Feel stage 3 on my 69 Barracuda, and it's good, except for the fact there is still some just off center numbness. For Autocrossing it's not ideal. I'm putting the Borgeson in my 67 Valiant because if it's anything like the newer Cherokee it came out of, it will be better...
Cars that are not reinforced in critical areas will exhibit the "off center numbness" regardless of whose steering box is in the car. The bigger the front tires - the more numbness you will experience under load.
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Re: Borgeson Stering Box
[Re: ThermoQuad]
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02/12/14 04:34 PM
02/12/14 04:34 PM
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Escondido CA USA
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I have the Firm Feel stage 3 on my 69 Barracuda, and it's good, except for the fact there is still some just off center numbness. For Autocrossing it's not ideal. I'm putting the Borgeson in my 67 Valiant because if it's anything like the newer Cherokee it came out of, it will be better...
Cars that are not reinforced in critical areas will exhibit the "off center numbness" regardless of whose steering box is in the car. The bigger the front tires - the more numbness you will experience under load.
Perhaps I'm not describing it correctly, but with my Firm Feel stage 3 box occasionally, not every time, you will turn the steering wheel one inch and get nothing, then two inches, nothing, then as you turn the third inch you get 3 inches of input all at once. It ain't tires or a lack of stiffness in the car, it's the steering box. Since it doesn't do it every time, it can make the car a handful in quick transitions. I'm going Borgeson....
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