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Re: Header tether rule update.. [Re: Al_Alguire] #1503008 09/17/13 10:13 PM 09/17/13 10:13 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 8,094 Sunnyvale, CA Jeepmon master
Jeepmon master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 8,094 Sunnyvale, CA	Thanks for sharing the info Al 73 Duster 360 stroker http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2594657

Re: Header tether rule update.. [Re: Al_Alguire] #1503009 09/17/13 10:38 PM 09/17/13 10:38 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,849 F fullmetaljacket master
fullmetaljacket master F Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,849	I can see welds cracking over time in some applications from vibrations along with hot and cold spells in the system more than a bolt and lock nut failing. A good 5-point bolt and nut can be better than a metal weak weld from contamination or not enough penetration. Greasing the palms of those sipping fine brandy under palm trees. Go figure.

Re: Header tether rule update.. [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1503010 09/19/13 09:01 AM 09/19/13 09:01 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 276 Mid west G Gearhead383 enthusiast
Gearhead383 enthusiast G Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 276 Mid west	This reminds me of all the BS we went through with the window nets. Maybe let the dust settle over the winter and see if NHRA pulls their heads out and make a common sense ruling. I know it's doubtful, but one can hope... right?

Re: Header tether rule update.. [Re: Gearhead383] #1503011 09/19/13 09:47 AM 09/19/13 09:47 AM
Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 694 Michigan S Super Scamp mopar
Super Scamp mopar S Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 694 Michigan	I have an A Body that has 8 different pieces to put my headers on. I wonder if I will need to tether all of them lolol. This is realy getting out of control... Next thing they want you to do is tether the drive shaft... Just One Man's Opinion Mopar Mafia Racing

Re: Header tether rule update.. [Re: Super Scamp] #1503012 09/19/13 10:29 AM 09/19/13 10:29 AM
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 577 Arkansas A Adrielp mopar
Adrielp mopar A Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 577 Arkansas	Quote: I have an A Body that has 8 different pieces to put my headers on. I wonder if I will need to tether all of them lolol. This is realy getting out of control... Next thing they want you to do is tether the drive shaft... I was just thinking about headers built this way and people changing their current headers to utilize slip tubes a few inches away from a welded collector. The way the rules read, you could weld the ends of the primaries to the collectors and have slip joints a few inches away from there with tabs and bolts. I hope headers companies are considering redesigning some of their current systems to utilize something like that. Last edited by Adrielp; 09/19/13 10:30 AM. Adriel Paradise Substation Design Engineer III

Re: Header tether rule update.. [Re: Adrielp] #1503013 09/19/13 02:12 PM 09/19/13 02:12 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 8,094 Sunnyvale, CA Jeepmon master
Jeepmon master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 8,094 Sunnyvale, CA	Alguire and I have debated this a couple times now.. My opinion still stands.. I've used common sense when putting together my collectors/headers/muffler and will make a stink about it when I get told by tech to make a change to them.. until then, I'm not going to worry about it.. 73 Duster 360 stroker http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2594657

Re: Header tether rule update.. [Re: Jeepmon] #1503014 09/19/13 05:01 PM 09/19/13 05:01 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas Al_Alguire OP I Live Here
Al_Alguire OP I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas	I will be asking again this next weekend at the Salt Lake divisional if my stuff still needs the tethers. My guess is the answer will be yes//Oh yeah I got caught up in the whole window net deal as well. Since they had not amended the rule before the Phoenix divisional, first race of the year I was forced to buy a new net. So there went $150..Imagine will get hosed in this deal too since I doubt they will have clarity before Pomona again. "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." "It's never wrong to do the right thing"

Re: Header tether rule update.. [Re: Adrielp] #1503015 09/19/13 05:21 PM 09/19/13 05:21 PM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: I have an A Body that has 8 different pieces to put my headers on. I wonder if I will need to tether all of them lolol. This is realy getting out of control... Next thing they want you to do is tether the drive shaft... I was just thinking about headers built this way and people changing their current headers to utilize slip tubes a few inches away from a welded collector. The way the rules read, you could weld the ends of the primaries to the collectors and have slip joints a few inches away from there with tabs and bolts. I hope headers companies are considering redesigning some of their current systems to utilize something like that. Weather you have a short piece welded to the primary and then have a bolt on extension its all considered collector...... my way of thinking... DONT GO TO ANY NHRA RACES... let them see what happens over 1 year.. they WILL be crying the blues... this is getting WAY out of hand... I havent seen it in the IHRA rules

Re: Header tether rule update.. [Re: roadhazard] #1503016 09/19/13 05:34 PM 09/19/13 05:34 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,684 W. Kentucky justinp61 I Live Here
justinp61 I Live Here Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,684 W. Kentucky	Quote: And a jar of that special NHRA approved petroleum jelly Fixed

Re: Header tether rule update.. [Re: Al_Alguire] #1503017 09/19/13 05:42 PM 09/19/13 05:42 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,410 Belpre,Ohio C CHAPPER master
CHAPPER master C Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,410 Belpre,Ohio	I have seen collector extensions come off, but never saw the actual collector it's self come off,,if it was bolted properly with tabs etc. If welding is not acceptable at the collector, why is welding OK at the flange area at the head?? Maybe NHRA should tell the header manufactures to tether them there too. I have bolt on header extensions on my TTI headers. I will put tapered loc nuts on them with loc-tite, lock washers and drill the bolt for a cotter pin. Suppose that will pass?? If you like drag racing, support your local track.

Re: Header tether rule update.. [Re: CHAPPER] #1503018 09/19/13 06:51 PM 09/19/13 06:51 PM
Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,407 Ambridge, Pa. R rickraw top fuel
rickraw top fuel R Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,407 Ambridge, Pa.	Well i have 2 single pipes & 2 welded to 1 flange, if i weld my collectors on, i will never get my headers out of the car. They are custom built. I guess i'll have to cut welds everytime i have to take them off. That's bullsh-t. Maybe i won't go to the races anymore.

Re: Header tether rule update.. [Re: Al_Alguire] #1503019 09/19/13 08:11 PM 09/19/13 08:11 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,211 Minn S SportF pro stock
SportF pro stock S Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,211 Minn	I find this whole rule stupid. Its ok if the collector falls off, just make sure you catch it. How about don't let it fall off in the first place. Lock wire your bolts, lock wire your tabs, use a cotter key to secure nuts, something, just don't let it fall off in the first place. I don't think anybody is debating the danger, so inspect, not for a tether, but for a sure method of securing in the first place, eh?

Re: Header tether rule update.. [Re: SportF] #1503020 09/19/13 09:32 PM 09/19/13 09:32 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,350 Aurora, Oh. M max_maniac master
max_maniac master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,350 Aurora, Oh.	Quote: I find this whole rule stupid. Its ok if the collector falls off, just make sure you catch it. How about don't let it fall off in the first place. Lock wire your bolts, lock wire your tabs, use a cotter key to secure nuts, something, just don't let it fall off in the first place. I don't think anybody is debating the danger, so inspect, not for a tether, but for a sure method of securing in the first place, eh? Bingo - However that makes too much sense ------ Russ

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