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Cam and roller Lifter suggestions #1499509 09/10/13 11:15 AM 09/10/13 11:15 AM
Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 136 Oceanside CA R relax383 OP member
relax383 OP member R Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 136 Oceanside CA	My 70 RR is almost finished. have a 440 engine topped with edelbrock heads and a six pack setup. I want to swap in a hyd roller cam. I want torque to be about 475-500. Any suggestions? Also what roller lifters do you guys recommend?

Re: Cam and roller Lifter suggestions [Re: relax383] #1499510 09/10/13 11:33 AM 09/10/13 11:33 AM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA B G Racing master
B G Racing master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA	Quote: My 70 RR is almost finished. have a 440 engine topped with edelbrock heads and a six pack setup. I want to swap in a hyd roller cam. I want torque to be about 475-500. Any suggestions? Also what roller lifters do you guys recommend? With all the issues we have seen with hyd.roller lifters we quit using them. [IMG]http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq21/ajcasini/max_zpsdppwd9km.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Cam and roller Lifter suggestions [Re: B G Racing] #1499511 09/10/13 11:47 AM 09/10/13 11:47 AM
Joined: May 2011 Posts: 101 NC 1 1967Valiant member
1967Valiant member 1 Joined: May 2011 Posts: 101 NC	Sounds like you need to do some research on hyd roller lifters. Because you must buy junk. They make a tool steel hyd roller lifter that's good to 7500 with no float.

Re: Cam and roller Lifter suggestions [Re: relax383] #1499512 09/10/13 02:58 PM 09/10/13 02:58 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 288 Birmingham, England M Mick70RR enthusiast
Mick70RR enthusiast M Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 288 Birmingham, England	Don't buy Comp hydraulic roller lifters. Mine lasted a few months. One by one they would collapse and rattle for a while then start working again. The last one to go just wouldn't pump back up. I pulled the lifters and took them apart. The metering plate under the pushrod cup had shattered on several lifters. A small piece of this plate would jam the valve open until it eventually worked it's way past the valve to the bottom of the lifter. The valve is another plate, unlike the lifters in the video Comp have on YouTube which show a ball valve. Comp Cams won't answer my emails. 1970 Road Runner 505 cid MCH CNC ported Stealth heads MP 528 camshaft 4 speed GV overdrive 11.98 @ 117 on street treads

Re: Cam and roller Lifter suggestions [Re: Mick70RR] #1499513 09/10/13 05:18 PM 09/10/13 05:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,485 SoCal Brian Hafliger master
Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,485 SoCal	We use Morel and have Comp grind our cams with the lobes WE pick. The correct lobes/springs are a must for proper valvetrain control. Brian Brian Hafliger

Re: Cam and roller Lifter suggestions [Re: 1967Valiant] #1499514 09/10/13 08:16 PM 09/10/13 08:16 PM
Joined: May 2009 Posts: 511 Temperance, MI 6 68 HEMI GTS mopar
68 HEMI GTS mopar 6 Joined: May 2009 Posts: 511 Temperance, MI	Quote: Sounds like you need to do some research on hyd roller lifters. Because you must buy junk. They make a tool steel hyd roller lifter that's good to 7500 with no float. id like to see dyno proof of a big block mopar that can make power to 7500 with a HR. 68 Dart GTS "HEMI" 10.30 @ 131 pump gas street car 3780# 69 Roadrunner 511 six pack 10.92 drive to track street car

Re: Cam and roller Lifter suggestions [Re: relax383] #1499515 09/11/13 01:27 AM 09/11/13 01:27 AM
Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 136 Oceanside CA R relax383 OP member
relax383 OP member R Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 136 Oceanside CA	So you guys are suggesting a custom grind?

Re: Cam and roller Lifter suggestions [Re: 68 HEMI GTS] #1499516 09/11/13 07:22 AM 09/11/13 07:22 AM
Joined: May 2011 Posts: 101 NC 1 1967Valiant member
1967Valiant member 1 Joined: May 2011 Posts: 101 NC	Ok let me start this way. If you are compentent, yes a hyd roller can go 7500 ask IMM. The problem with Moparts we have a bunch of people that think they know everything and I would not let them work on my lawn mower. That's the problem people listen to them and get bad info. So take some time buy something else other than purple cams, spend some money and time yes a BBM will turn 7500 with hyd roller. Wait no it won't if you listen to most people and spend fours dollar on the valve train. Sorry if a just butt hurt a lot of people, but truth is truth. Last edited by 1967Valiant; 09/11/13 07:24 AM.

Re: Cam and roller Lifter suggestions [Re: 1967Valiant] #1499517 09/11/13 09:59 AM 09/11/13 09:59 AM
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efisixpack pro stock E Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,240 Saline, MI	Who makes hyd roller lifters out of tool steel? Last time I asked Morel they said they didn't. It was a year ago though. I'm running crane on a comp can with no issues. Unfortunately I do have other issues with the motor though, but not can/lifter related. When I die I want to go like my Grandfather did, quietly in his sleep. Not screaming like the passengers in his car.

Re: Cam and roller Lifter suggestions [Re: 1967Valiant] #1499518 09/11/13 10:15 AM 09/11/13 10:15 AM
Joined: May 2009 Posts: 511 Temperance, MI 6 68 HEMI GTS mopar
68 HEMI GTS mopar 6 Joined: May 2009 Posts: 511 Temperance, MI	Quote: Ok let me start this way. If you are compentent, yes a hyd roller can go 7500 ask IMM. The problem with Moparts we have a bunch of people that think they know everything and I would not let them work on my lawn mower. That's the problem people listen to them and get bad info. So take some time buy something else other than purple cams, spend some money and time yes a BBM will turn 7500 with hyd roller. Wait no it won't if you listen to most people and spend fours dollar on the valve train. Sorry if a just butt hurt a lot of people, but truth is truth. doesn't hurt me a bit, you have know idea how much i know and i really don't care if you did. thats why i said i would like to see dyno proof. yea you might spin one 7500 with a missed shift, but i want to see it making power. BBM's are not SBF's or LS engines. you haven't showed or proved anything. you want me to ask someone who you think can do it. do you even build your own engines? its like the guy that says my buddy has has a buddy that has a car that will beat yours. 68 Dart GTS "HEMI" 10.30 @ 131 pump gas street car 3780# 69 Roadrunner 511 six pack 10.92 drive to track street car

Re: Cam and roller Lifter suggestions [Re: 68 HEMI GTS] #1499519 09/11/13 11:07 AM 09/11/13 11:07 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,997 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart master
gregsdart master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,997 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	Quote: Quote: Sounds like you need to do some research on hyd roller lifters. Because you must buy junk. They make a tool steel hyd roller lifter that's good to 7500 with no float. id like to see dyno proof of a big block mopar that can make power to 7500 with a HR. There are BBC motors running over 7,000, sold for fast brackets making 1,000 hp with a juice roller. The Mopar camp is behind on what is available and what works, in a lot of cases. Take a look at what can be done to lighten the load in the valvetrain, and that would be worth a lot of rpm over what the average guy tries to throw together to run a juice cam. Last edited by gregsdart; 09/11/13 11:16 AM. 8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

Re: Cam and roller Lifter suggestions [Re: 1967Valiant] #1499520 09/11/13 11:32 AM 09/11/13 11:32 AM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA B G Racing master
B G Racing master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA	Quote: Sounds like you need to do some research on hyd roller lifters. Because you must buy junk. They make a tool steel hyd roller lifter that's good to 7500 with no float. How about the fact that we have used several different brands of aftermarket hyd.roller lifters and have customers bring in engines that were built elsewhere that have lifter issues.Buying junk doesn't even enter the picture since most all were top brand/dollar brands.Competence has nothing to do with it either. The issues we have and have seen is lifters bleeding off or not pumping up because of metal shaving in the plungers,scores in the barrel,missing valves,springs,retainers and misaligned of the internal piston as well as other issues.Some of these can't be taken apart to even clean and check. The issue is mostly poor quality control.We even go as far to spin the engines with out firing or use an accumulator to bring up oil pressure to pump collasped lifters after an engine set for a period of time. I apologize for my earlier statement with out any facts to substantiate my remarks.I also apologize for being incompetent,uninformed as well as having no experience.I to your absolute knowledge in this matter and thank you for setting me straight. Respectfully, Bob Last edited by B G Racing; 09/11/13 11:44 AM. [IMG]http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq21/ajcasini/max_zpsdppwd9km.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Cam and roller Lifter suggestions [Re: B G Racing] #1499521 09/11/13 12:39 PM 09/11/13 12:39 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion T Thumperdart I Live Here
Thumperdart I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion	Quote: Quote: Sounds like you need to do some research on hyd roller lifters. Because you must buy junk. They make a tool steel hyd roller lifter that's good to 7500 with no float. How about the fact that we have used several different brands of aftermarket hyd.roller lifters and have customers bring in engines that were built elsewhere that have lifter issues.Buying junk doesn't even enter the picture since most all were top brand/dollar brands.Competence has nothing to do with it either. The issues we have and have seen is lifters bleeding off or not pumping up because of metal shaving in the plungers,scores in the barrel,missing valves,springs,retainers and misaligned of the internal piston as well as other issues.Some of these can't be taken apart to even clean and check. The issue is mostly poor quality control.We even go as far to spin the engines with out firing or use an accumulator to bring up oil pressure to pump collasped lifters after an engine set for a period of time. I apologize for my earlier statement with out any facts to substantiate my remarks.I also apologize for being incompetent,uninformed as well as having no experience.I to your absolute knowledge in this matter and thank you for setting me straight. Respectfully, Bob Too funny Bob..............I think we`re related somehow. 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: Cam and roller Lifter suggestions [Re: Thumperdart] #1499522 09/11/13 01:32 PM 09/11/13 01:32 PM
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1967Valiant member 1 Joined: May 2011 Posts: 101 NC	Ya your right I have no experince you win. I'm sure you figure your throw weights and use a spintron in your shop. I never have run more than 6.90 in quarter either so I have no drag racing or engine building experince.

Re: Cam and roller Lifter suggestions [Re: 1967Valiant] #1499523 09/11/13 01:48 PM 09/11/13 01:48 PM
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1967Valiant member 1 Joined: May 2011 Posts: 101 NC	Oh I forgot I need to bow down, I'm sorry legend Bob with all the hot cars that come out of that shop. I am really sorry I questioned anything you said. We all know Bob is god and knows everything and builds the fastest ten sec cars in the world lol!

Re: Cam and roller Lifter suggestions [Re: 1967Valiant] #1499524 09/11/13 01:52 PM 09/11/13 01:52 PM
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Guitar Jones Paddle faster! I hear banjo music! G Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 20,640 in a cattle trailer down by th...	Hmm, so you're a paramedic and Bob is a what? I forget... "Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind" '92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost coming soon! 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.

Re: Cam and roller Lifter suggestions [Re: Guitar Jones] #1499525 09/11/13 01:59 PM 09/11/13 01:59 PM
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1967Valiant member 1 Joined: May 2011 Posts: 101 NC	Other than I tune on some of the fastest grudge cars around guess nothing.

Re: Cam and roller Lifter suggestions [Re: 1967Valiant] #1499526 09/11/13 02:08 PM 09/11/13 02:08 PM
Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 429 Washington skrews mopar
skrews mopar Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 429 Washington	Who's making good hyd roller lifters that go 7500 ? Seems like everyone I know, that goes down the hyd roller road has issues with them.

Re: Cam and roller Lifter suggestions [Re: relax383] #1499527 09/11/13 02:28 PM 09/11/13 02:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,030 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,030 Oregon	For a mild build with Edelbrock heads and a six pack intake manifold you should be fine with any off the shelf hyd roller setup. The guys at Hughes Engines can get you squared away or buy a Comp Cams setup right out of the catalog. Just don't go crazy with the duration or lift and you should be fine.

Re: Cam and roller Lifter suggestions [Re: skrews] #1499528 09/11/13 02:33 PM 09/11/13 02:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,875 Weddington, N.C. Streetwize master
Streetwize master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,875 Weddington, N.C.	Mine Have been good to 6800+, hit 7200 a few times and feels like it could go higher. But If I'm shooting for 7500 my thoughts are why wouldn't you go with a lighter Solid Roller? i learned a lot about HR's from the mid 90's tuning on the Pro 5.0 type set ups where you had to run HR by class rules. Bullet was on the front line of that market and were always putting out new grinds to try back then. Careful attention to valvetrain geometry and a very stable shaft foundation (my heads run a W2 style billet blocks instead of as-cast pedestals) I think helps a bit. And the Bullet desined HR lobes combined with the early (pre Chapter 11) Crane Lifters have worked very well for me is all I can say. I'm running long 11/32" stem x 2.25" intake valves which I think are lighter than the 2.14" x 3/8" stem mopars (the only BBM I can compare to from expereince). But if Bob is saying there are issues I have no doubt there have been issues. Last edited by Streetwize; 09/11/13 02:39 PM. WIZE World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI In Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0

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