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Re: Evaporative leak on 2000 Ram.Any Dodge techs out there? [Re: NITROUSN] #1492477
09/07/13 01:49 PM
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I know what you mean. I have saved all my reciepts and have told my mechanic everything that was done. I don't know if it has anything to do with it but my truck feels a tad rough at idle. The tach does nut fluctuate at all. I'm throwing this out in left field but bad PCM?


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Re: Evaporative leak on 2000 Ram.Any Dodge techs out there? [Re: 70sixpkrt] #1492478
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This is what the dealership said now. This is after they replaced leak detection pump, duty purge solenoid, all hoses from the vapor canister to leak dection pump, gas cap, and both vapor canisters. I don't know if they are blowing smoke up my azz now just to get rid of me.

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Re: Evaporative leak on 2000 Ram.Any Dodge techs out there? [Re: J_BODY] #1492479
09/07/13 04:51 PM
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P0443 is a CIRCUIT prob... not an evap system prob..... but keep trying those different gas stations!




No, no, keep throwing money at the problem.

Why bother trying the simple stuff first?

Similar answer that I gave has been posted by Members over at Dodgeforum.com. Code goes away after driving for awhile. One guy over-filled his tank and got the same code-it went away after awhile. Look it up.

What's the shop bill on this thing so far?


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Re: Evaporative leak on 2000 Ram.Any Dodge techs out there? [Re: Grizzly] #1492480
09/08/13 02:57 PM
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Code has not gonna away in the last 5 days. I did get gas but not filled it up. The dealership bill is $1400 which I am going to call up Dodge Customer Service to see if they can help me out since it pertains to the Emission. I just don't want any reprocussion or animosity with the dealership since I also have a Durango that I bring there for service. I am going to bring it to my mechanic tomorrow morning and leave it with him for the next couple of weeks.


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Re: Evaporative leak on 2000 Ram.Any Dodge techs out there? [Re: 70sixpkrt] #1492481
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The dealership bill is $1400

Gawd, I feel ill just seeing that number.

which I am going to call up Dodge Customer Service to see if they can help me out since it pertains to the Emission.

Thanks, I really appreciate you taking my suggestion. When I had some small leak codes on my '01 Ram the dealership smoke tested the whole system and didn't charge me anything. They came right out and said that emissions were covered after the normal warranty ran out.






And, here's what you should try, but this is just me and only my opinion:

Find another fuel station that has alot of turnover and go get yourself a full tank of 89. Go home, if you have a code reader erase your code. If not, borrow one. Unhook your battery cables overnight, plan a nice long highway trip, hook 'em back up and go. Fill your tank again from the same pump, and keep drivin'. If the code comes back just erase it and keep driving. Don't unhook the battery again, just keep putting the miles on and run the same fuel.

It can take a few tanks of fuel to do this while the computer re-learns what's happening. If all goes well that code will go away and leave you alone. Go back to 87 octane and everything should be fine.

I've been around the block with my 2001 Ram on small and large leak codes, and it always goes away. You just have to give it time and the computers don't leave any room for error if you get sh!t fuel, which in this day and age happens alot.

PM me if you like, I'd like to know how you make out. Hope this helps you.


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Re: Evaporative leak on 2000 Ram.Any Dodge techs out there? [Re: 70sixpkrt] #1492482
09/09/13 01:32 PM
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Quote:

This is what the dealership said now. This is after they replaced leak detection pump, duty purge solenoid, all hoses from the vapor canister to leak dection pump, gas cap, and both vapor canisters. I don't know if they are blowing smoke up my azz now just to get rid of me.




They found high resistance (open circuit) when wiggled at circuit k52?

Why change the harness? No need to spend that kind of cash. If the problem is the wiring and not because of a loose or backed out pin in a connector why in the world wouldn't they just over lay a wire. That's what I was taught in the basic electrical classes years ago by Chrysler.

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Re: Evaporative leak on 2000 Ram.Any Dodge techs out there? [Re: Todd] #1492483
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[They found high resistance (open circuit) when wiggled at circuit k52?

Why change the harness? No need to spend that kind of cash. If the problem is the wiring and not because of a loose or backed out pin in a connector why in the world wouldn't they just over lay a wire. That's what I was taught in the basic electrical classes years ago by Chrysler. /quote]

I think they just don't want tp spend the time anymore. I have been there 3 times in the last 3 weeks. I think they are getting tired of me and are trying to shoo me away.


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Re: Evaporative leak on 2000 Ram.Any Dodge techs out there? [Re: 70sixpkrt] #1492484
10/03/13 07:22 PM
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Update:
My mechanic put in a remanufactured PCM with the latest software. I picked up the truck last week and the engine light has NOT come on. It looks like it was the PCM.


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Re: Evaporative leak on 2000 Ram.Any Dodge techs out there? [Re: Grizzly] #1492485
10/04/13 09:35 AM
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The dealership bill is $1400

Gawd, I feel ill just seeing that number.

which I am going to call up Dodge Customer Service to see if they can help me out since it pertains to the Emission.

Thanks, I really appreciate you taking my suggestion. When I had some small leak codes on my '01 Ram the dealership smoke tested the whole system and didn't charge me anything. They came right out and said that emissions were covered after the normal warranty ran out.






And, here's what you should try, but this is just me and only my opinion:

Find another fuel station that has alot of turnover and go get yourself a full tank of 89. Go home, if you have a code reader erase your code. If not, borrow one. Unhook your battery cables overnight, plan a nice long highway trip, hook 'em back up and go. Fill your tank again from the same pump, and keep drivin'. If the code comes back just erase it and keep driving. Don't unhook the battery again, just keep putting the miles on and run the same fuel.

It can take a few tanks of fuel to do this while the computer re-learns what's happening. If all goes well that code will go away and leave you alone. Go back to 87 octane and everything should be fine.

I've been around the block with my 2001 Ram on small and large leak codes, and it always goes away. You just have to give it time and the computers don't leave any room for error if you get sh!t fuel, which in this day and age happens alot.

PM me if you like, I'd like to know how you make out. Hope this helps you.





I could see that happening with say, a mis-fire code, but how in the world does quality or octane of gas have anything to do with a system that puts vacuum on a fuel tank?


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Re: Evaporative leak on 2000 Ram.Any Dodge techs out there? [Re: 70Cuda383] #1492486
10/04/13 10:38 AM
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exactly 70cuda383!

Re: Evaporative leak on 2000 Ram.Any Dodge techs out there? [Re: 70Cuda383] #1492487
10/05/13 12:20 AM
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Quote:

Quote:

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The dealership bill is $1400

Gawd, I feel ill just seeing that number.

which I am going to call up Dodge Customer Service to see if they can help me out since it pertains to the Emission.

Thanks, I really appreciate you taking my suggestion. When I had some small leak codes on my '01 Ram the dealership smoke tested the whole system and didn't charge me anything. They came right out and said that emissions were covered after the normal warranty ran out.






And, here's what you should try, but this is just me and only my opinion:

Find another fuel station that has alot of turnover and go get yourself a full tank of 89. Go home, if you have a code reader erase your code. If not, borrow one. Unhook your battery cables overnight, plan a nice long highway trip, hook 'em back up and go. Fill your tank again from the same pump, and keep drivin'. If the code comes back just erase it and keep driving. Don't unhook the battery again, just keep putting the miles on and run the same fuel.

It can take a few tanks of fuel to do this while the computer re-learns what's happening. If all goes well that code will go away and leave you alone. Go back to 87 octane and everything should be fine.

I've been around the block with my 2001 Ram on small and large leak codes, and it always goes away. You just have to give it time and the computers don't leave any room for error if you get sh!t fuel, which in this day and age happens alot.

PM me if you like, I'd like to know how you make out. Hope this helps you.





I could see that happening with say, a mis-fire code, but how in the world does quality or octane of gas have anything to do with a system that puts vacuum on a fuel tank?




Don't know, but it worked for me.


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Re: Evaporative leak on 2000 Ram.Any Dodge techs out there? [Re: J_BODY] #1492488
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exactly 70cuda383!




You have your way of doing things, and I have mine.

Cost to fix my truck from showing three EVAP codes (large and small) a few years ago:

Zero dollars.

Just trying to help someone who asked for it and you guys just keep arguing with me. For what, I have no idea..............


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Re: Evaporative leak on 2000 Ram.Any Dodge techs out there? [Re: Grizzly] #1492489
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exactly 70cuda383!




You have your way of doing things, and I have mine.

Cost to fix my truck from showing three EVAP codes (large and small) a few years ago:

Zero dollars.

Just trying to help someone who asked for it and you guys just keep arguing with me. For what, I have no idea..............




Chill out. asking how something worked is not arguing. Arguing would be if I said "you're full of crap, there's no way in the world that worked and you're not helping the original poster out at all with your fable"

I just don't understand how good gas/bad gas had anything to do with evap codes, so I asked.


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Re: Evaporative leak on 2000 Ram.Any Dodge techs out there? [Re: 70Cuda383] #1492490
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I'm confused as to what difference gas would make also. I have never heard of gas giving a CEL unless you the bottom of the tank and it has a bunch of water in it and I don't think that would give a evapcode.

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