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Re: Such a thing as TOO MUCH oil pressure [Re: astrobuf] #1488828
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Years ago I had a 440 with a high pressure pump in it, in cold weather it would peg a 100# gauge at start up. At temperature it ran almost 75# at cruise rpms. The only oil I ever ran in it was Havoline 10-40. After beating on it for five years I rebuilt it and installed a standard pump.




High pressure and high volume pumps are two entirely different things. I high pressure pump simply has a higher rated relief spring. A high volume pump has a higher displacement volume.

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Re: Such a thing as TOO MUCH oil pressure [Re: justinp61] #1488829
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rule of thumb....10psi/1000 rpm.

Re: Such a thing as TOO MUCH oil pressure [Re: justinp61] #1488830
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Years ago I had a 440 with a high pressure pump in it, in cold weather it would peg a 100# gauge at start up. At temperature it ran almost 75# at cruise rpms. The only oil I ever ran in it was Havoline 10-40. After beating on it for five years I rebuilt it and installed a standard pump.




High pressure and high volume pumps are two entirely different things. I high pressure pump simply has a higher rated relief spring. A high volume pump has a higher displacement volume.

Astrobuf




You are correct.




Not correct. A high volume pump has more displacement and a higher bypass pressure. http://www.melling.com/Aftermarket/Tech-Tip-Videos

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Re: Such a thing as TOO MUCH oil pressure [Re: TooMany62s] #1488831
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Years ago I had a 440 with a high pressure pump in it, in cold weather it would peg a 100# gauge at start up. At temperature it ran almost 75# at cruise rpms. The only oil I ever ran in it was Havoline 10-40. After beating on it for five years I rebuilt it and installed a standard pump.




High pressure and high volume pumps are two entirely different things. I high pressure pump simply has a higher rated relief spring. A high volume pump has a higher displacement volume.

Astrobuf




You are correct.




Not correct. A high volume pump has more displacement and a higher bypass pressure. http://www.melling.com/Aftermarket/Tech-Tip-Videos




Not all high volume pumps are high pressure

Re: Such a thing as TOO MUCH oil pressure [Re: mopowers] #1488832
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I've never seen a HV pump that didn't have the black high pressure spring.


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Re: Such a thing as TOO MUCH oil pressure [Re: John_Kunkel] #1488833
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I've never seen a HV pump that didn't have the black high pressure spring.




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Re: Such a thing as TOO MUCH oil pressure [Re: moper] #1488834
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When I bought the pump, I could've got a standard pump, a high volume or the high pressure. In my 19 year old wisdom I bought the high pressure. I fully understand pressure is a result of interference in the flow path. That being said I don't know if a high volume with a deeper set of rotors capable of more volume would pump more oil at 60 psi than my high pressure pump did at 75 psi. I had to run an extra quart of oil in the stock pan to keep it from pumping it dry.

I figure the high pressure pump (that I still have) was nothing more than a standard pump with a stiff or shimmed spring.

Re: Such a thing as TOO MUCH oil pressure [Re: justinp61] #1488835
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If a standard volume pump can get you adequate hot running oil pressure (eg 55-60 psi for a hot street engine) and adequate hot idle oil pressure (I like at least 20 psi) that's the way to go. Bigger rotors just push more oil past the bypass, use power and generate heat. Usually in a healthy engine, meeting the idle requirement is toughest.

Re: Such a thing as TOO MUCH oil pressure [Re: ahy] #1488836
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If a standard volume pump can get you adequate hot running oil pressure (eg 55-60 psi for a hot street engine) and adequate hot idle oil pressure (I like at least 20 psi) that's the way to go. Bigger rotors just push more oil past the bypass, use power and generate heat.


& 75 psi in a system will flow more than 60 psi will no matter what pump is generating the pressure. 75 is high but not a dealbreaker. I'd work on the spring & lower it.


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Re: Such a thing as TOO MUCH oil pressure [Re: 70VERT] #1488837
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... and around 70# at 2000 while hot.




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I rarely take it over 5K but at those revs and hot it pushes about 55-60#.




These two statements seem to contradict each other. Are you saying hot at 2000 rpm oil pressure is 70 psi, and drops to 55 psi at 5000 rpm?

Re: Such a thing as TOO MUCH oil pressure [Re: 70VERT] #1488838
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My 440 makes about 90# of oil press at 1000 RPM cold and around 70# at 2000 while hot. Is this abnormal or anything I should try and rectify?


smokey yunick put it best . you need 10 lbs of oil pressure per 1,000 rpm. if your engine will see 9,000 rpms , then it will benefit from 90 lbs of oil pressure . with the tight clearance in todays engines, coupled with the advancement of synthetic oils, 15-20 lbs hot @ idol with 65 lbs maximum is the standard for most street strip engines. many older engines with less quality machine tolerances will need the heavy weight oils to keep pressures up when hot. remember this... an engine which is on oil by-pass is not filtering the oil...get your pressure corrected and you will solve all issues.

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