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Re: what to do with 69 dart gts
[Re: mopfried]
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With any semblance of traction 440 A bodies just straight out haul! Its kind of a pain because fenderwell headers hinder your steering ability/tire selection, and underchassis are tight in those cars, but a typical 509 cam iron head 440 with a single plane intake and 4.10s is pretty streetable and really romps in an A body. So I vote 440 or 451  The low deck will fit nicer/easier, so you've got the ability to have the best of both worlds with the 451, so I say do that from the perspective of ignoring cost/what you already have in the 360. I prefer 4 speed cars 100 %, but as stated above 440 A bodies are lethal, and particularly impressive when you have a 727 to just pour it on. Id say that has to be your preference.
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Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat
Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
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Re: what to do with 69 dart gts
[Re: GTX MATT]
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07/09/13 12:28 PM
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I also have a 69 GTS 340, now 440 but if i was to do it again in a street car, i would keep the small block. The 440 is very torquey but for the street the sb will run rings around the big motor handling wise, also easier to work on. TTI's fit and are underchassis.
Mick
69 Dart GTS 440 mopar .590 cam, Edelbrock heads, 3200#
best et 6.45, 106.78, 10.14, 132.88 mph, 1.47 60ft
best 60ft 1.36
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Re: what to do with 69 dart gts
[Re: dart4forte]
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07/09/13 03:49 PM
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I vote for a 451 stroker put a set of aluminum 452 heads on it to lighten the load along with a set of headers and aluminum intake. Paint it all orange put a 383 pie tin on top and suprise a few people. I bet you would shave off 60-70 lbs and have a "close" to stock look. that is until you mash the pedal!!
1969.5 A12 Bee EV2
1971 Charger RT
1973 Duster tubbed 500 low deck 10.90 monster
3 440 polara vert projects
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Re: what to do with 69 dart gts
[Re: vette1986]
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07/09/13 04:00 PM
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I have a 340 short block.. date coded 9-9-68, 9 B 274167, 2780930-340-7.
Stock bore, never rebuilt.. needs rebuilding as its sat indoors for many years but very dirty.
IF YOU'RE SERIOUSLY INTERESTED (maybe it belongs to your car?)... Contact me ASAP as I may be selling it very soon.
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"Road racers and autocrossers go in deeper and come out harder!"
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"Road racers and autocrossers go in deeper and come out harder!"... and rain never stops us from having fun with our cars... in fact, it makes us better drivers!
Check out MOPAR ACTION MAGAZINE, August 2006 issue for feature article and specs on my autocross T/A!
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Re: what to do with 69 dart gts
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07/09/13 11:10 PM
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Smallblock with a 4 inch crank. Especially since it's originally a 340 car.
The smallblock A-bodies were one of Mopar's best driving combos, why wreck it with another 100lbs of cast iron over the front tires? These days getting rid of the poor flowing Small block heads is super easy as well. I just don't see any reason to go big block unless you want to go faster than 10's.
Sheldon
What he said. A 416 small block with a mild hydraulic cam, WELL DONE J heads, LD340 intake (painted engine color), a fresh AVS from a 440, open OEM 340 air cleaner, 1 5/8 headers and a well executed exhaust. With a stock converter and 3.23's you'd have a sleeper 12 second Dart.
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Re: what to do with 69 dart gts
[Re: cudadoug]
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07/10/13 12:25 AM
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I vote stroker small block. My FAST legal 340/430 dynoed at 512 hp and 540 tq. It will spank a LOT of big blocks and it weighs a pile less.
1971 Plymouth Duster 340 auto
1937 Plymouth PT50
1969 Dodge Dart Swinger 340 4 speed
2013 Ram laramie 2500 hemi
2008 Harley FLSTSB springer
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Re: what to do with 69 dart gts
[Re: mopfried]
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07/10/13 02:26 AM
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I do have some 340 2.02 valve heads that have had some work done on them. They are open chamber and the 360 has been decked for the pistons I have to be about .005 in the hole. I have a comp 280 cam, several small block intakes and carbs. A new set of coated SB headers that are 1-5/8 I believe. I guess the best small block senario would be 4" crank and aluminum heads? Im a mopar nut.
So if I were to use the 360 as is, Speed pro flattops, stock stoke and mangnum ported heads, 280 cam, 1.6 roller rockers, stip dominator intake or M-1... how would that compair real world to a stroker with worked heads?
A well built yet streetable 3.58 stroke 360 will yield 450 HP and 450 ft.lbs. Same well built 4.00 stroke street friendly small block will produce 480-500 HP and at least 500 ft.lbs.
Having said that, depending on your budget (using what you already have) a street friendly 360 can still produce ets deep in the 12's in a "stock" chassis with a mild gear and the right converter/cam combo.
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Re: what to do with 69 dart gts
[Re: Rhinodart]
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07/10/13 11:30 AM
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You already have a big block A-Body, go with the 360, make it hot and make it look stock... 
I may be parting with the scamp... to many mopars. I have a 70 cuda I have had since high school that's on the back burner.... another story. If I go with the 360 I have and a stock stroke would the 280 cam be a good choice with the other parts I have?
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Re: what to do with 69 dart gts
[Re: cudadoug]
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07/10/13 12:44 PM
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Actually yea, the mix of parts looks good. I would though recommend the Ededbrock Air Gap as will make more torque than a single plane.
Keep us posted. Sounds like a fun project. It's funny, I'm doing a 69 Dart right now as well...and in a couple of months I'll have to make the same decision: 360 or 408??
One more thing: if you choose a "ported" Magnum head, look no further than the EQ replacements. With a 2.02 intake and a very mild bowl blend, they will outflow ANYTHING else out there, short of a "race" head. Yes, even outflow Edelbrock's. Great pricing on them everywhere as well.
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Re: what to do with 69 dart gts
[Re: cudadoug]
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07/10/13 01:30 PM
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Keep us posted. Sounds like a fun project. It's funny, I'm doing a 69 Dart right now as well...and in a couple of months I'll have to make the same decision: 360 or 408??
 I'm in the same boat; starting on my '71 Dart soon and have several small and big blocks to choose from. Decisions, decisions...
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Re: what to do with 69 dart gts
[Re: OhioMopar]
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07/12/13 11:06 AM
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I think I will stay with a small block, just haven't decided between the 4 speed or the auto. Im kinda up in the air on the color too. I like black, my wife wants like the B5 blue... Its still in body work. I have a piece to fix the trunk spring mount, door striker pin patches and there is some metal work being done on the quarters. Its completely gutted. I found fiberglass patches in the trunk floor that are being welded up too.
not bad for a 44 year old...
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Re: what to do with 69 dart gts
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07/12/13 11:56 AM
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I was never gonna go back to green. It was gonna be black. My new GTS was b5. Awesome color. If you want some sway to influence your transmission choice, I know a guy with a 4-speed GTS that nneeds almost all the 4-speed stuff I collected for the car. 
1969 Dart GTS 340
1969 Super Bee X9 N-96
1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96
2015 Dodge Dart GT
2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn.
Looking for the original block for my Bee. The last 4 are 7449
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Re: what to do with 69 dart gts
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07/12/13 03:32 PM
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There is quite a bit of metallic in b-5. I got to watch it mixed once.
1969 Dart GTS 340
1969 Super Bee X9 N-96
1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96
2015 Dodge Dart GT
2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn.
Looking for the original block for my Bee. The last 4 are 7449
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