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Re: Need ways to keep my 440ci from running HOT
[Re: AHall]
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Are you relying on the stock factory gauge, or do you have a good aftermarket gauge?
What is the temperature?
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Re: Need ways to keep my 440ci from running HOT
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11/03/08 07:06 PM
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what do you have now for fan/shroud/wp & position of fan.
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Re: Need ways to keep my 440ci from running HOT
[Re: boydsdodge]
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11/04/08 08:13 AM
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How much use on the bottom end?(miles years)
How old is the rad.
I had a real over heating problem with my big block, and found the cure was in cleaning out the frost plugs and power washing the coolant passages and re coring the rad.
I thought I had re cored the rad the summer before but when my friend and Mechanic took it to his rad guy they told me that my rad had just been cleaned and painted.( it was full of stop leak all thru the engine from the old guy before me trying to stop the heater core from leaking)
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Radiator is stock, and was re-cored and flushed the previous owner said 3 years ago. I took the cap off tonight and it looks really clean. What aftermarket radiator should i get?
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Re: Need ways to keep my 440ci from running HOT
[Re: RapidRobert]
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what do you have now for fan/shroud/wp & position of fan.
Factory 440 setup. (stock shround and stock fan)
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Re: Need ways to keep my 440ci from running HOT
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It may just be running very cool most of the time and getting up to normal temps when your gauge goes up. Check the actual temps before spending money on parts is my moto. Get a real temp gauge(non electric) and check it out or use a cooking thermometer to check temps at the radiator and compare them to the needle position on you gauge.
 Best to see exactly what's going on before spending a bunch of money when there may not be a problem at all 
who makes the best aftermarket gauge? or gauge cluster? already an aftermarket VOLTAGE gauge under the dash.
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Re: Need ways to keep my 440ci from running HOT
[Re: AHall]
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11/04/08 11:59 AM
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Before spending money on a gauge, you could check that yours makes sense first. I am lucky enough to have a friend in HVAC business with one of those laser guided, hand held temperature sensor deals. You can check just about everything with one of those: manifold temps, head, rad, water pump, hoses, block, a dogs butt.... Might be a good idea to check timing and air fuel if you can. Those things, when incorrect, can cause an engine to overheat even when the cooling system is spot on.
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Re: Need ways to keep my 440ci from running HOT
[Re: AHall]
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11/04/08 12:16 PM
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What is this in? Regardless, if the temperature gauge is operating properly then try the following fix. Go out and get a thermostat for a 440 in a motor home. This will open at a lower temp and keep the car from initially heating up. I would also suggest you run a radiator flush. Not for the radiator, but the block. The engine cooling ports could be clogged or semi clogged. If you don't have a fan shroud, invest.
If it heats up when driving on the highway this screams of pour cooling circulation. It would just plain overheat if the thermostat wasn't opening.
Good luck
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Re: Need ways to keep my 440ci from running HOT
[Re: AHall]
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11/04/08 07:39 PM
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Any other suggestions on how to keep it cool?
In my 66 Coronet with a 440, I used one 16" electric puller fan and still had heat problems sitting in traffic on hot days. I added a second 16" pusher fan on the other side of the radiator and now I can sit in 90+ degrees traffic all day and never get over 205 The second fan does not turn on until the temp reaches 200. I offset the fans for max coverage on the radiator core. You can get quality 16" fans for $100 each.
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Re: Need ways to keep my 440ci from running HOT
[Re: HealthServices]
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11/04/08 08:53 PM
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going down the road it sits just to the left of the middle between C and H. If i exit and idle at the light for a minute or two it creeps over and touches the H , then I start scrambling to get moving and it cools down once I get moving.
If you have a fan clutch it is time to replace it. It's not working anymore.
Note if you have a 4 core the new replacement units are too tall (will hit the radiator) to put in. Use a Hayden 3665 or a 2765. I think it was $39
here are some pics, let , me know what you think.
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Re: Need ways to keep my 440ci from running HOT
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Any other suggestions on how to keep it cool?
In my 66 Coronet with a 440, I used one 16" electric puller fan and still had heat problems sitting in traffic on hot days. I added a second 16" pusher fan on the other side of the radiator and now I can sit in 90+ degrees traffic all day and never get over 205 The second fan does not turn on until the temp reaches 200. I offset the fans for max coverage on the radiator core. You can get quality 16" fans for $100 each.
id like to do that but have a cooler on the front side and that fan and shroud on the other side- what would I have to do?
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Re: Need ways to keep my 440ci from running HOT
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11/04/08 09:12 PM
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Heating up at idle sounds like not enough air. The pics show what looks like a "standard" 5 blade fan. A cheap upgrade would be a 7 blade fan from a mid-late 80's Cordoba or the like. I've got one from a core 400. It is about 19.5" diameter and has 7 large blades with cupped ends. Along with a fresh clutch, it should help in the air flow department.
Bouchillon Performance also sells a high capacity 6 blade.
Is this it?
http://www.bouchillonperformance.com/BPE220618.asp
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Re: Need ways to keep my 440ci from running HOT
[Re: ahy]
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11/04/08 09:40 PM
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That's the Bouchillon fan I was thinking of. I haven't used it but it looks like it would move a lot more air than the one you have and they swear by it.
A high capacity aluminum radiator could help. So could a high flow water pump and high flow thermostat to go with it. I've got a 26" radiator of similar design from Mancini. It works great even with the little 5 blade MP fan.
I noticed the radiator advertised is for a /6. Was your's originally a /6 with 22" radiator? Not sure if it makes any difference but a 440 can work OK with a really good 22" radiator - but 26" is better.
Since you have a recently re-cored radiator and symptoms suggest low airflow, it may be worth trying the better fan + clutch first as the simplest and cheapest fix and go from there.
so adding a clutch would help?
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Re: Need ways to keep my 440ci from running HOT
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11/04/08 09:45 PM
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going down the road it sits just to the left of the middle between C and H. If i exit and idle at the light for a minute or two it creeps over and touches the H , then I start scrambling to get moving and it cools down once I get moving.
If you have a fan clutch it is time to replace it. It's not working anymore.
Note if you have a 4 core the new replacement units are too tall (will hit the radiator) to put in. Use a Hayden 3665 or a 2765. I think it was $39
Sounds like a bad fan clutch to me.
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Re: Need ways to keep my 440ci from running HOT
[Re: AHall]
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11/04/08 09:47 PM
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What is the condition of your a/c condensor? Check the front of it for blockage and causes of low flow. Is this problem occuring with the a/c on? What happens when the a/c is off?
You do not have a fan clutch so a bad fan clutch is not your problem. but is does appear you have a flow problem of some type.
Allen
Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first.
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Re: Need ways to keep my 440ci from running HOT
[Re: ahy]
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11/04/08 10:21 PM
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A good heavy duty thermal fan clutch seems to work best. I assumed that's what's in the Hayden box in the pic. but maybe not?
My bad - that was somebody elses post. Adding a clutch where there's none now won't help cooling. It would just save a few ponies while running down the road.
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Re: Need ways to keep my 440ci from running HOT
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11/05/08 06:55 PM
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Re: Need ways to keep my 440ci from running HOT
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11/05/08 07:49 PM
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How much use on the bottom end?(miles years)
How old is the rad.
I had a real over heating problem with my big block, and found the cure was in cleaning out the frost plugs and power washing the coolant passages and re coring the rad.
I thought I had re cored the rad the summer before but when my friend and Mechanic took it to his rad guy they told me that my rad had just been cleaned and painted.( it was full of stop leak all thru the engine from the old guy before me trying to stop the heater core from leaking)
Find I guy you can trust.
Thats the hardest part of all we do.
I agree with this guy.
If you haven't had that block chemically hot tanked, and the block is older than dirt, you are likely to find "mung" of the years clogging up the coolant passages and the radiator. Hard to describe, but think of jellied chemicals throughout that mill's water jackets. A viscous, crummy goop is the best description.
Seen it, done that, etc.
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Re: Need ways to keep my 440ci from running HOT
[Re: AHall]
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11/07/08 03:55 AM
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Think simple 1st...
do you have a good radiator..at least a 4 core, clean and flushed. ( I have one .stock)
A flex fan works fine.
Do you have the correct pulleys.? I use a single large pulley w/ a single hemi crank pulley,( about 1/2 space between them)(stock)
Wtare pump..do you have an a/c pump or standard..get an A/C pump if you dont.it has and extra fin i believe.(stock from NAPA)
thermostate...190*.?? NAPA again
I have a mild /hot built 440 AND will run 50 mileS fine in 100 degree temps..at a stop sign still runs finE...never tops 190* (After market guage w. bulb)
NOW when i floor it...i will feel a heat wave like an oven got turned on in the interior. because of the headers..!!!...lol
no clutch fan..(after market flex fan)
the fan is proper distance from the radiator.
And the lower 1/2 of my shroud has been removed.
one thing i havent heard mentioned is .. you sure your timing is right for your set-up?
or (has to do w/ timing).comp ratio..
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