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Oops!! Broken Exhaust Stud #1438173
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Is welding a nut to this my only option for trying to take this broken stud out without yanking the head?? Do you guys have any other tricks? This is the third cylinder back on the drivers side, so an EZ-out or anything else requiring a drill probably won't work, for space issues.




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Re: Oops!! Broken Exaust Stud [Re: mopowers] #1438174
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Rent a 90 degree (right angle) drill attachment


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Re: Oops!! Broken Exaust Stud [Re: RapidRobert] #1438175
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Rent a 90 degree (right angle) drill attachment




And start soaking that with PBS blaster, (candle wax would be better if you blast it with a propane torch.)
Then drill a small hole as concentric as possible.

Some of this isn't easy. Use good sharp cutting tools, and proceed carefully.

Re: Oops!! Broken Exaust Stud [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1438176
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If you can get to it use a left handed drill bit to drill a hole into the broken stud. While drilling the LH drill bit will grab and back the broken stud out of the hole.

Re: Oops!! Broken Exaust Stud [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1438177
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Bolt the manifold back on, use it to guide the drill & keep it straight.. If you have access to a lathe I like to make a drill guide bushing, take round stock slightly to large to fit the bolt hole in your manifold & bore a 1/8" hole through the center of it, then turn the outside to just fit the bolt hole... Now you have a guide that will center the drill & keep it straight....

BTW you bolt is borderline to deep in the head for the weld a nut trick...


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Re: Oops!! Broken Exaust Stud [Re: mopowers] #1438178
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use a heavy washer first, then a nut welded on to the washer...turn it out while it is still very hot .it is a little deep but I have done them deeper. weld it from the center out to put heat on the bolt filling the nut with "weld " will add heat to the broken stud making it easy to remove . ... I have also had to deal with broken drill bits , not fun....

Re: Oops!! Broken Exaust Stud [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1438179
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Will a MIG weld stick to and/or mess up the cast iron? These are X heads that I planned on replacing with RHS heads this winter. I'm thinking I may make the swap sooner than that if I can't get this stud out on the car.

Thanks for the input guys. Keep them coming! I don't have access to a lather, but I like the idea of using the manifold as a guide. Just wish I had more room since I don't have a right angle drill... For now, I'm gonna let the steam dissipate from my head/ears for the next couple days..

Re: Oops!! Broken Exaust Stud [Re: mopowers] #1438180
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Re: Oops!! Broken Exaust Stud [Re: pittsburghracer] #1438181
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why have studs in those holes anyways?

stock it would have a bolt with a stud on each end.

those are a blind hole with water behind it so dont drill to deep.

I have trashed more heads for broken bolts/studs by hand drilling them. but I have bad luck at everything I try to fix.

good luck

Re: Oops!! Broken Exaust Stud [Re: mopowers] #1438182
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My choice would be to weld the nut on. I hate drilling and the heat from the welding helps loosen it up.
More stuff gets screwed up trying to drill.

Re: Oops!! Broken Exaust Stud [Re: mopowers] #1438183
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I think your best bet is to remove the head and do it.

Also it would be a good time to use the correct head bolts and get rid of those washers. They will compress ever so slightly allow the head to come loose and you will blow a head gasket.

Only use hardened. beveled washers on aluminum heads never cast iron, imo.

Re: Oops!! Broken Exaust Stud [Re: mopowers] #1438184
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Thanks so much for the input guys! After sleeping on it and looking at my tools, it turns out that I have an angle die grinder. I should be able to use that, right?. I think I'll give welding a nut a try first though. Or will that only do more damage?

After I shoot some mig wire at it, should I use a propane or mapp torch around the surrounding area to expand it?

What penetrating oil do you guys recommend?I figure I need to start soaking it now.

I realize the head bolds and washers aren't ideal, but it's the way I bought it and like I said, I intend to swap some RHS's on this winter. I just want to drive this thing until then. I'll replace the bolts then.

Re: Oops!! Broken Exaust Stud [Re: ek3] #1438185
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use a heavy washer first, then a nut welded on to the washer...turn it out while it is still very hot .it is a little deep but I have done them deeper. weld it from the center out to put heat on the bolt filling the nut with "weld " will add heat to the broken stud making it easy to remove . ... I have also had to deal with broken drill bits , not fun....



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Re: Oops!! Broken Exaust Stud [Re: mopowers] #1438186
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A little heat will certainly help. Just make sure you have patience & take your time. Don't try to remove it in one shot get it moving back and forth 1st.

Re: Oops!! Broken Exaust Stud [Re: mopowers] #1438187
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Get it good and hot and melt a bit of candle wax on it. A birthday candle touched onto the.hot broken stud would be perfect. The wax will migrate into the threads.

I don't see how welding anything onto the stud is an option, given its depth, but I not a great welder so maybe it's just me.

Using a guide to ensure concentricity with a drill is a great idea. Then use an easy out, or left handed drill.

Worst case, if you [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] up the threads, just install a timesert (threaded insert, like a heli coil but better). I did that on the very same problem years ago.

Re: Oops!! Broken Exaust Stud [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1438188
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Don't drill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Put a washer over the area of the broken stud. Make sure the hole in the washer is centered over the broken stud. Using a MIG welder, weld in the hole directing your arc at the broken stud.
The stud can be broken off below the surface - it doesn't matter! After the washer is welded to the stud, weld a nut to the washer...the same way. Look at my pictures above!!!
Here's the proof that it works great!!

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Don't drill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Put a washer over the area of the broken stud. Make sure the hole in the washer is centered over the broken stud. Using a MIG welder, weld in the hole directing your arc at the broken stud.
The stud can be broken off below the surface - it doesn't matter! After the washer is welded to the stud, weld a nut to the washer...the same way. Look at my pictures above!!!
Here's the proof that it works great!!




Won't the hole just fill with weld, and make a bigger problem? Or does the weld not stick to the iron???

Re: Oops!! Broken Exaust Stud [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1438190
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Quote:

Don't drill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Put a washer over the area of the broken stud. Make sure the hole in the washer is centered over the broken stud. Using a MIG welder, weld in the hole directing your arc at the broken stud.
The stud can be broken off below the surface - it doesn't matter! After the washer is welded to the stud, weld a nut to the washer...the same way. Look at my pictures above!!!
Here's the proof that it works great!!




Won't the hole just fill with weld, and make a bigger problem? Or does the weld not stick to the iron???



Most weld fillers won't stick to cast iron.

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So, if I try welding first, it won't mess up the hole that is exposed on the cylinder head? Would I still be able to try an EZ-out if welding doesn't work?

Re: Oops!! Broken Exaust Stud [Re: mopowers] #1438192
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.... TRY the welding but I have never heard of that working well. I say GRIND the exposed stud flush or with a slight cup ....center a drill(1/8" or so) and drill it out ...then progressively go larger to the largest size that a GOOD square EZ out will fit ... then back it out slowly.

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