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Re: Pro Systems Carbs. [Re: 572charger] #1431237
05/08/13 10:59 AM
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pro systems on my hemi ,( dominator) picked up 2 tenths and 2 mph over my reworked 9375 dom ?? they work out of the box



Have one on my hemi too. It was good to go out the box. I tried different things w/ it, but ended up going right back where it was originally. Patrick also did my old 9375 dominator that's on my 440 and it runs great too.


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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: Pro Systems Carbs. [Re: gtsdon] #1431238
05/08/13 11:07 AM
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My 416 is very similar to yours... mine on the dyno
made 550 hp and I used a 850 dp Holley... your conv
is holding you back on the 60' but thats not the problem
on the top end(mph)... mine is done at 6600 rpm right
now due to valve springs being to light for it...
and being that your MPH is down I would look at the
springs first thing.... also on the dyno it wanted
39* of timing so you might look at that also... granted
your heads are different than mine(I run W-5s) but
if your are ported they should be in the same ball park...
mine was dynoed with 93 octane... if you are running
a race type of fuel thats probably to much octane
for your timing and giving you a slow burn and killing
off HP

Re: Pro Systems Carbs. [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1431239
05/08/13 12:28 PM
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Hampton Va
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Thanks Mr P Body, I use pump gas on the street and at the track. Ryan set up the valve springs and selected this camshaft so they should be close. From the responses it appears I’m headed in the right direction. My plan is to change out the Carb and converter then run the car on the dyno for final tuning.

Re: Pro Systems Carbs. [Re: gtsdon] #1431240
05/08/13 01:10 PM
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Thanks Mr P Body, I use pump gas on the street and at the track. Ryan set up the valve springs and selected this camshaft so they should be close. From the responses it appears I’m headed in the right direction. My plan is to change out the Carb and converter then run the car on the dyno for final tuning.




To me when they state that the carb can make 15-30
hp more over the 750 its only because it flows more..
nothing magic about it... but if you didnt need a
larger carb it wouldnt really help... but in your
case and in mine the bigger carb would help but I
didnt want to put a 1050 dom on it because its a
street/strip type of car and more street

Re: Pro Systems Carbs. [Re: gtsdon] #1431241
05/08/13 08:48 PM
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bdazsmblk, What does your car weigh? If I could get mine to run low 11s I would be happy. By the way, I met you and your family at the MIR Mopar show a few years back. You guys have some awesome cars. Thanks for posting what worked for your combo.


We have never weighed the car but it is all steel but the hood and has full interior with a bench front seat and a 8 point mild steel bar.Thanks for the kind words too.Hope u get your car running what u want.Thanks Kenny


3120lb, small block, 10.5" tire, NA, through exhaust, full int, WITH 83/4 REAR, 9.0 at 150mph
Re: Pro Systems Carbs. [Re: bdaz smblk] #1431242
05/09/13 12:43 AM
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That's a great engine combo. I have some info that may be helpful... When we dynoed my 408 with very similar specs, I was disappointed with the performer rpm. If memory serves it picked up somewhere around 20 hp and 15 ft lbs (observed) across the board with a M1 single plane. Now, we did start the pulls at 3500 rpm,and both were done with a 1 inch Wilson spacer and a 1000cfm 4150 on E85. I don't know what it would have done at lower rpms with a smaller carb, but it peaked with 578hp at 6200, even with the M1...which was the same peak rpm as the performer rpm. Maybe I'm comparing apples to oranges? Keep in mind it was dynoed at 6300 ft, and according to my engine builder it should have liked the performer rpm better.(which is why we started out with it)


Pump Gas Small Blocks Rock! 11.53 @ 116mph E85 408 at 8500 ft da, 3605 pound truck, 3.91s, street driven
Re: Pro Systems Carbs. [Re: DconD100] #1431243
05/09/13 02:19 PM
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If i can find the time tomorrow i will hook a vac gauge to my 408 and really rev it to see if my 750 is too small.

Re: Pro Systems Carbs. [Re: gtsdon] #1431244
05/09/13 04:55 PM
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I picked up 21 hp with the Prosystems carb on the dyno.
I know 21 hp doesn't seem like much but it is a lot to leave on the table by just using the wrong carb.
To my surprise the Prosystem carb actually runs better on the street then the carb I took off. By runs better on the street I mean idles at a lower rpm in gear and at light throttle it doesn't surge. If I were looking for a carb I would buy another one.

Re: Pro Systems Carbs. [Re: DodgeCharger] #1431245
05/10/13 10:53 AM
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Hooked up the vac gauge today and it didnt show any vac all the way up to 6000+ rpms

Re: Pro Systems Carbs. [Re: sshemi] #1431246
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Hooked up the vac gauge today and it didnt show any vac all the way up to 6000+ rpms




Do you have a vacuum leak? That doesn't sound possible.

Re: Pro Systems Carbs. [Re: DodgeCharger] #1431247
05/10/13 12:15 PM
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Hooked up the vac gauge today and it didnt show any vac all the way up to 6000+ rpms




Do you have a vacuum leak? That doesn't sound possible.



I think he was testing the vacuum at WOT. It should still show some vacuum albeit 1" or less, but the engine needs to be under load for that to show up.


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Re: Pro Systems Carbs. [Re: Performance Only] #1431248
05/10/13 12:29 PM
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Okay now I understand.

Re: Pro Systems Carbs. [Re: DodgeCharger] #1431249
05/10/13 02:48 PM
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My vac gauge is not fine scale so i could have had a little vac but i think no more than maybe 0.5"

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