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1st Eddlebrock...couple questions... #1429321
05/02/13 06:09 PM
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Just installed 800(performer) Eddy on my 440, the timed vaccum port is pulling 8.5 on vac. gauge at idle. I thought this was supposed to be "0" vaccum at idle
Also the owners manual says to run my Vac. Adv. at full manifold vaccum with a long duration cam, mine is 237/242. Should I do this.
Just need a little help to get pointed in the right direction.
I have 14* initial anymore it drags starter, Total is in at 28* right now, I still need to grind slots to attain 35*
Right out of the box and carb and timing adjustment car has never ran or idled this good. Havent driven it yet, want to get these questions answered first...Thnx!!

Re: 1st Eddlebrock...couple questions... [Re: moparrulzzz] #1429322
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Something is up with your starter, cables or battery if it's "draging" at 14 degrees. I run 22 and my motor spins great with a dakota starter and battery in the trunk.

Fix that and advance your distributor about 5 degrees and you will be right in the ball park.

You throttle blades are open too far and that's why you have vacuum at idle.

Re: 1st Eddlebrock...couple questions... [Re: moparrulzzz] #1429323
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timed port is on the pass side. How far are the throttle blades open?


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Re: 1st Eddlebrock...couple questions... [Re: RapidRobert] #1429324
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With only 14 degrees of timing in your distributor you do not need to run manifold vacuum. Run it on the timed port, and bump it to 34-38 degrees total.

The starter shouldn't be kicking back at 14 initial. I'd suspect an slipped/incorrect balancer/timing mark. What kind of distributor is this?

Manifold vacuum is an easy fix to clean up the idle on a car with a lot of mechanical advance in the dizzy (i.e. stock). If you can get it to the 34-38 total and 20-24 initial that it should have you should probably not run manifold vacuum as it will be too much. At only 14 degrees initial I would probably run manifold vacuum though.

A friend of mine put the eddy 800 on his Dart years ago with a 440, 509 cam, single plane intake and headers. Hes never adjusted anything other than idle and mixture screws and said the car had never been that fast or had such insane response. While I'm not a fan of Eddys and prefer Holleys I do respect this particular friend's opinion. He ran 800 and 850 DPs prior. I've been in the car and its an easy mid to high 11 second car. And the throttle response is indeed awesome.

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Re: 1st Eddlebrock...couple questions... [Re: RapidRobert] #1429325
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timed port is on the pass side. How far are the throttle blades open?




I 'm not sure, but I have control of my A/F mixture screws. If I were open too far woudn't I have no control?

Re: 1st Eddlebrock...couple questions... [Re: GTX MATT] #1429326
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With only 14 degrees of timing in your distributor you do not need to run manifold vacuum. Run it on the timed port, and bump it to 34-38 degrees total.

The starter shouldn't be kicking back at 14 initial. I'd suspect an slipped/incorrect balancer/timing mark. What kind of distributor is this?

Manifold vacuum is an easy fix to clean up the idle on a car with a lot of mechanical advance in the dizzy (i.e. stock). If you can get it to the 34-38 total and 20-24 initial that it should have you should probably not run manifold vacuum as it will be too much. At only 14 degrees initial I would probably run manifold vacuum though.

A friend of mine put the eddy 800 on his Dart years ago with a 440, 509 cam, single plane intake and headers. Hes never adjusted anything other than idle and mixture screws and said the car had never been that fast or had such insane response. While I'm not a fan of Eddys and prefer Holleys I do respect this particular friend's opinion. He ran 800 and 850 DPs prior. I've been in the car and its an easy mid to high 11 second car. And the throttle response is indeed awesome.




Matt the damper has been verified to be accurate. The timing tab is a OEM timimg cover.
The Dist is a MP Electronic unit.Its the older design that doen't have the adjustable mechanical advance.
I am really starting to think I have a battery cable and/or starter issue. After warming the car to op. temp(not hot) and shutting it down, my starter is dragging. When I allow it too cool down spins normally. I dont know if its cheap cable or starter. How can I verify this?
Brand new Interstate battery, new starter and cables, not sure of the quality of the cable.

Re: 1st Eddlebrock...couple questions... [Re: moparrulzzz] #1429327
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As said it sure sounds like a batt/cables/starter issue & hard to tell which as the symptoms are the same between the three. Were all the points of contact for the new cables cleaned including starter to block/block to body/body to batt neg post? If you have another vehicle I'd sub in the batt then the starter to confirm or eliminate them if the cable connections are good. Yes if you have control of the idle mixture screws you're good on the throttle opening. Keep us posted


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Re: 1st Eddlebrock...couple questions... [Re: RapidRobert] #1429328
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I have new cables coming 2 gauge and a heat wrap for my starter. I sure hope this solves the dragging starter problem. The starter is a NEW NAPA unit, best they had, hope its ok, I dread replacing it.
Hopefully I can get more intial with the cables.

Re: 1st Eddlebrock...couple questions... [Re: moparrulzzz] #1429329
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Mini-starter is the only way to go but I know people have different reasons for staying with a stock starter.

I had the dreaded 1407 manual choke 750cfm Eddie carb on my FE5 70 Duster360 and it smoked the tires every time with no bog or back fire with excellent throttle response thru all rpm ranges. One of the best carbs I ever used but it sure did like stopping at gas stations. I ran 20 degrees of intial timing/36 degrees total timing with no vacuum advance with 280H Comp Cam.


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Mini-starter is the only way to go but I know people have different reasons for staying with a stock starter.

I had the dreaded 1407 manual choke 750cfm Eddie carb on my FE5 70 Duster360 and it smoked the tires every time with no bog or back fire with excellent throttle response thru all rpm ranges. One of the best carbs I ever used but it sure did like stopping at gas stations. I ran 20 degrees of intial timing/36 degrees total timing with no vacuum advance with 280H Comp Cam.




The "dreaded Eddy" is the electric choke version of the 750, idr the part number off the top of my head, but typically the Eddys all run much better in manual choke form.


Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat
Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street






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