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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues
[Re: Crazy68Dart]
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Back when I converted my 87 Diplomat over to 4 speed (not available stock) I had to clearance the trans cross member too. Used a mix of A body and F/J/M body parts to do it and a new Hurst Indy shifter. No biggy, especially with aftermarket stuff not designed for the application.
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues
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Back when I converted my 87 Diplomat over to 4 speed (not available stock) I had to clearance the trans cross member too. Used a mix of A body and F/J/M body parts to do it and a new Hurst Indy shifter. No biggy, especially with aftermarket stuff not designed for the application.
I've had to modify absolutely everything on this project. I'm not sure why I thought this would be any different.
I'll get it worked out, just takes time. The car is close to being on the road for the first time in nearly 12 years, so I'm getting a little impatient. 
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues
[Re: Crazy68Dart]
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Rhino, that is exactly what I did when I put the hump in. Evidently I didn't connect the linkage when I mocked everything up.
I have another thread going. I am really just trying to figure out what I have. The shifter is stamped Competition Plus, but with the reverse lockout makes me thing it is a Super Shifter, unless the CP shifter could be had with reverse lockout?
The shifter is mounted in the stock location with the aluminum plate.
The rods and levers look nothing like the factory stuff. The lever slots are a different angle than the factory, and the rods are obviously thicker.
So, I'm confused as to how the levers need to be installed, as since they are different than factory they might not attach the same way.
Maybe I'll give Jamie and/or Brewer's a call tomorrow.
The saga continues.
NONE of what you have , except for maybe the mount on the trans itself, is OEM factory parts in ANY A body.
Clearance what needs to be clearanced , it is what it is .
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues
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or just buy the correct shift rods and levers from brewers and be done with it...assuming that what you have is in fact a competition plus....
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues
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I am going to get the correct mounting plate. I have trimmed the cross member already. I didn't take hardly anything out of the rear of the cross member, the factory notch was already there. Where I am hitting now is at the front of the cross member. I have a thread going on over at FABO, also. There is more detail there. But in short, the levers and mounting plate are from the discontinued 373-8617 kit. Now, the rods are a different story. These are beefy rods, and I cannot find anything based on their part numbers. Hard to say where they came from. The plate that comes with the kit is actually the plate that should be used on EARLY A bodies (2298), not 67-up. Hurst thought one size fits all I guess.  I believe this is a Super Shifter III. I know it says Comp Plus, but it has the reverse lockout, which I don't think the Comp Plus shifters have. Everything I have found tells me it is a SS3. Anyway, to make a long story short. I am going to get the proper plate for 67-up and work from there. The levers I have are correct. After that, I'll either get new rods if I have to or modify the rods I have, or make a set. Here is the FABO link if anyone cares: http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=231724Thanks everyone.
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues
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04/23/13 01:53 PM
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The floor hump has nuttin to do w/the rod placement. If anything, the shifter plate might cure it, but I doubt it. You most likely have the incorrect rods. My 
Yeah, I agree. However, the plate could have ramifications to the hump placement, but in this case I think it will be okay doing a side-by-side on the plates.
Very well may be that the rods are wrong.
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues
[Re: Crazy68Dart]
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04/23/13 09:49 PM
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Andy the shifter worked perfect on the transmission so the rods are correct for an A-body transmission.I would just grind the cross member so they have about 1/4" clearance so they wont bind when the engine and trans move around Gus 
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues
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The floor hump has nuttin to do w/the rod placement. If anything, the shifter plate might cure it, but I doubt it. You most likely have the incorrect rods. My
I broke my shifter plate on my 67, No problem , I had a few extras around but the numbers were different, I tried them and either the shifter was to high or rotated so the linkage didn't work. Got the replacement from Brewer Perforemance, all is good. 
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues
[Re: Crazy68Dart]
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I am not sure where the rods came from, so I am not sure what body they are designed for (which is what started all of this...). I cannot locate the part numbers on the rods anywhere online.
The rods are aftermarket Hurst for the A body , they will not work with any other body platform ... the ONLY possible different platform they MIGHt also he compatible with is the Hurst super shifter setup for the 66-70 B body that requires the user to cut out the rear of the floor hump and bolt on a big bracket , but that setup uses different reverse rod than what you have.
Go with what Gus said .
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues
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Since everyone on the edge of their seat with this thread...  Ordered the 67-up plate, will be here tomorrow. Started tweaking the rods last night, 1/2 is much better, but still needs more clearance. Now working on 3/4. 
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues
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Hope you are not messing up the rods too bad, those are VERY hard to find, I know I have been searching for a set of those for two years now.  When they were used on the factory Hemi Darts a special shifter plate was designed especially for those rods. The plate is documented in the Jim Schild guide to Hemi A-Body's. 
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues
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Hope you are not messing up the rods too bad, those are VERY hard to find, I know I have been searching for a set of those for two years now. When they were used on the factory Hemi Darts a special shifter plate was designed especially for those rods. The plate is documented in the Jim Schild guide to Hemi A-Body's.
And you tell me this now?  If I'd know that they would have been on Ebay for what is a good price, starting bid of 2 grand? 
I took pics of them before. I've barely tweaked them. That is why I want to try the other plate. I didn't want to go crazy bending the rods all up nor do I want to cut the cross member more than I have to.
Thanks everyone.
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues
[Re: Crazy68Dart]
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Since everyone on the edge of their seat with this thread...
Ordered the 67-up plate, will be here tomorrow. Started tweaking the rods last night, 1/2 is much better, but still needs more clearance. Now working on 3/4.
You should be doing nothing till you get the new plate, doesn't make any sense to bend the rods with the wrong mounting position.
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Re: 4-Speed Shifter Install Clearance Issues
[Re: Rhinodart]
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04/25/13 02:02 PM
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Those are the heavy-duty Hurst linkages for race shifters, I have been looking for a set of those for a while now! Let me know if you want to trade for a factory set!
Rhino, this statement above?
I'm sorry, I guess I misunderstood. I was supposed to understand by the above reply that these were Hemi Dart rods? Anything beyond the stock rods seem to be considered "heavy duty". That and the fact that you seem to know that there was a one-off plate for these rods was not mentioned until lately. Oh well.
Before I do anything else to these rods, *are* these original Hemi Dart rods or are they after market? I understand that since they are Hurst they are technically after market and not original Chrysler. I just want to understand their value. <jab>Probably a little more than the stock ones you wanted to trade me for?</jab> 
John, yeah, I agree. I've barely messed with them. Over the years, it is hard to say if these were every tweaked before or not. Either way, 30 seconds and they are back to where there were. What I have done so far will only help with the new plate when comparing the mounting position against the one I have.
Brewers said I would have the plate today. I just want to drive this car... 
Thanks guys.
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I might just to to an auto if that is the case. 
