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How to "LOCK" small block distributor #1407977
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Because of my engine combo, my Machine shop/Engine builder
suggested that I LOCK my small block distributor.

What he wants to try is run about 34-36 timing all the time.
remove the weights and the vacuum advance.Advance the pic-up plate, and then lock it. I have a lot of distributors
so i don't mind messing with one or two.

Can't find this anywhere on the net. does anyone know how to do this?

Thanks Mike

Re: How to "LOCK" small block distributor [Re: moparmikethree] #1407978
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Weld the 2 pins on the weights to the slotted part where the weights are attached. Or go with a later model one from a lean burn that is already locked. That's what I used for my EFI conversion.


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Re: How to "LOCK" small block distributor [Re: herkamer] #1407979
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Yep, the ESA dists from the mid to late 80s are already locked. Easy to spot, no vac adv pod.

Re: How to "LOCK" small block distributor [Re: moparmikethree] #1407980
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But why lock it?


Your starter will last much longer with mechanical advance distributor and what is the advantage of locking it???

Re: How to "LOCK" small block distributor [Re: Challenger 1] #1407981
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Imo it's for folks who don't understand engine spark timing.

Re: How to "LOCK" small block distributor [Re: Challenger 1] #1407982
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I wouldn't either but if you do first drill a 1/2" hole in the dist cap flat 2/3 of the way between the center terminal and the #1 cap terminal so you can check rotor phasing with your timing light & run the dist & pump up the vac adv gradually with a Mityvac till the rotor phasing is dead on & note the in hg on the gauge then on your bench pump in that amt of vacuum & drill a vertical hole thru both plates in an appropriate location & lock em together in that position with a bolt/nut & use a spacer on the mini bolt inbetween the plates so they stay parallel when you tighten the nut. Then can remove the vac can & cover the hole in the side of the dist with a plate or keep it there to cover the hole. Not sure what to do on the weights but others have commented on that


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Re: How to "LOCK" small block distributor [Re: moparmikethree] #1407983
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Quote:

Because of my engine combo, my Machine shop/Engine builder
suggested that I LOCK my small block distributor.

What he wants to try is run about 34-36 timing all the time.
remove the weights and the vacuum advance.Advance the pic-up plate, and then lock it. I have a lot of distributors
so i don't mind messing with one or two.

Can't find this anywhere on the net. does anyone know how to do this?

Thanks Mike


If you want to try this first, find a lean burn distributor. There must be a bunch of them around since everyone wants to change them back to vacuum and mechanical advance. I would not muck up a good distributor for a project that you may want to go back on. Then again, the new billet distributor may be the way to go if you need advance again.
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Re: How to "LOCK" small block distributor [Re: denfireguy] #1407984
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You can buy new lean burn plates at any auto parts store!
Yes they work just fine,as I have used in them for years,
Not ideal if you are looking for fuel mileage,but if it is a performance car,,fuel mileage is the last thing you do worry about!
as for rotor phasing ,you can drill holes as mentioned ,or buy a see thru cap , I have made my own rotors to compensate for the off rotor phasing,and most times , the 'bug' can be ground to make up most the issues,

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Re: How to "LOCK" small block distributor [Re: dennismopar73] #1407985
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or buy a see thru cap ,


Who sells them? I've been wanting one for a long time but all I ever found were chebby apps


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Re: How to "LOCK" small block distributor [Re: moparmikethree] #1407986
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A little JB Weld in the slot does the trick. nothing fancy. Works great. Ran my small block on the street like that for years. One less thisng to deal with. Once you set it, there's never a thought about advance, springs, etc. No starter issues either. Certainly may not be the best for a high compression motor but a street car with a mini starter will be just fine.

Re: How to "LOCK" small block distributor [Re: 80fbody] #1407987
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A little JB Weld in the slot does the trick. nothing fancy. Works great. Ran my small block on the street like that for years. One less thisng to deal with. Once you set it, there's never a thought about advance, springs, etc. No starter issues either. Certainly may not be the best for a high compression motor but a street car with a mini starter will be just fine.




And I'll bet you my motor runs better than yours.

Re: How to "LOCK" small block distributor [Re: Challenger 1] #1407988
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And I'll bet you my motor runs better than yours.




Would you like a sticker? You sound like a 4 year old. Good job.

O.P., I only changed the plugs once or twice in nearly ten years of that motor. I never really had any issues with it. I did actually switch to a well curved distributor but my car really liked all the timing from idle. It was a .509 cammed small block. It did tend to idle a little higher (1000 rpms)but that really was the only thing I can think of. It may have been the advance on the cam as well. Having extra distibutors, I'd try it for the cost of some JB weld. Heck, that stuff's fun. Good Luck.

Re: How to "LOCK" small block distributor [Re: 80fbody] #1407989
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On a race car, meaning basically a narrow throttle and rpm window, a locked out ignition is fine and it eliminates a lot of worry or potential for surprises.
But if your car has to run pump fuel, idle, run at light, part, and full throttle, and rpms from 700 to 6+ over the course of a summer - the right set of ignition advances will work much better. No engine "likes" a single timing setting for any more than a single throttle opening and rpm range.

no sticker needed here. Just my opinion.


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Re: How to "LOCK" small block distributor [Re: moper] #1407990
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Don't really disagree as I said mine did idle a little higher & I wouldn't recommend someone doing it to their only distributor but he's got several to play with so why not.

Re: How to "LOCK" small block distributor [Re: 80fbody] #1407991
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at what point do you tack weld/jb weld the pins and slot. at the rest position or out the full amount or somewhere in between

Re: How to "LOCK" small block distributor [Re: moparmikethree] #1407992
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Rapid Robert answered that question above.

Not many motors like to have the timing locked, not even drag motors!! Unless it is a blown hemi with a aircraft starter like I use or has a MSD ignition timing control and then it's not locked either.

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Want to see pictures of tore up flywheels from too much timing when starting the motor. Been there done it.

Re: How to "LOCK" small block distributor [Re: moparmikethree] #1407994
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I'm not a fan of locked out timing. Bin there done that striped gears from kick back!
Anyways i like two real light advance springs to get timing all in by 1000 to 1200 and easy starts. I've even welded a bead on the advance weights to get them all in faster!


Re: How to "LOCK" small block distributor [Re: moparmikethree] #1407995
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at what point do you tack weld/jb weld the pins and slot. at the rest position or out the full amount or somewhere in between


Actually I would suggest welding the outside half or slightly more of each slot closed then drill or rattail file the hole in the slot thats left till the hole is just big enough for each respective pin to fit into it's hole with no slop. This will lock the advance & if you later go back to regular you can elongate the slots till you get the amount of mechanical advance you desire if you want to blueprint the dist subsystems. Pin/slot position does not change/affect rotor phasing (only vac adv does) & since you're locking it you might as well take advantage of the opportunity to correct phasing. I would go ahead & pin the plates at the right place to get your phasing corrected (if it needs to be changed) & if you go back to regular you can remove the mini bolt & reinstall the vac adv & no parts will have been irretrieveably damaged so no harm no foul as long as there ain't any pinging silent or otherwise when it's locked out & want no alum specs on the plug insulators & experimentation is one of the cornerstones of this hobby


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