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440 block but no caps #1402654 03/15/13 08:54 AM 03/15/13 08:54 AM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,311 Loganville GA. K kdsmith07 OP pro stock
kdsmith07 OP pro stock K Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,311 Loganville GA.	anybody have experience in buying a block minus caps.looking to buy a 67 440 hp without them.would it be a dumb move money wise trying to machine non matching oe caps?btw,250.00 for the block.standard bore.any comments,opinions and stories welcome.thanks in advance,kent

Re: 440 block but no caps [Re: kdsmith07] #1402655 03/15/13 09:11 AM 03/15/13 09:11 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,906 Athens, Greece Pyper70 master
Pyper70 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,906 Athens, Greece	How odd...My 505 block started off life as a 67' 440. I couldn't find my main caps either. On a whim, I went ahead and ordered a brand new set from 440Source. I gave them to the machinist and he asked me how much I paid for them because they are the nicest caps he had ever seen for a BB Mopar http://store.440source.com/Billet-Steel-Main-Caps-Set-of-5/productinfo/200-1039/ Family owned 1969 Charger R/T DualQuad 440/727/GVO/3.55s

Re: 440 block but no caps [Re: Pyper70] #1402656 03/15/13 09:39 AM 03/15/13 09:39 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	Quote: How odd...My 505 block started off life as a 67' 440. I couldn't find my main caps either. On a whim, I went ahead and ordered a brand new set from 440Source. I gave them to the machinist and he asked me how much I paid for them because they are the nicest caps he had ever seen for a BB Mopar http://store.440source.com/Billet-Steel-Main-Caps-Set-of-5/productinfo/200-1039/ what he said, not to the quality but you can buy aftermarket caps and have the machine shop set them up. AND FWIW if you ever break a 8.75 (including end caps) make sure you have them machined too...AMHIK. [IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/pui5j.jpg[/IMG] Coming soon!!!!

Re: 440 block but no caps [Re: kdsmith07] #1402657 03/15/13 10:34 AM 03/15/13 10:34 AM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa B buildanother I Live Here
buildanother I Live Here B Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa	I've used caps off of different blocks before, along with line honing at least. I would look at the 5 saddles for signs of nasty bearing spin etc. Oh, and try to get the thing for less cash if you can too.

Re: 440 block but no caps [Re: buildanother] #1402658 03/15/13 12:10 PM 03/15/13 12:10 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,212 Minnesota peabodyracing top fuel
peabodyracing top fuel Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,212 Minnesota	It's been too many years, but as I recall you simply have a machine shop align bore them installed on the block. Believe they cut a bit off the bottom of the caps before installing. Pretty standard process. I should say I hope it is still a standard process as the original HP block I got with my 69 RR came in the same condition as the one you're looking at and I have hung onto another set of caps to use. Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way

Re: 440 block but no caps [Re: kdsmith07] #1402659 03/15/13 12:32 PM 03/15/13 12:32 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,399 Aurora, Colorado 451Mopar master
451Mopar master Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,399 Aurora, Colorado	Just for a comparison of labor/machining costs, align boring/hone to fit aftermarket caps is around $450+ or more, plus the cost of the caps when I did the BCR aluminum caps with girdle on my 400 block. If you had a stock block with original caps, align hone is only around $100. My point is, if you don't need the aftermarket caps for your application, you can save money using a block with the stock caps even if it is a few $$$ more than a block without the main caps.

Re: 440 block but no caps [Re: kdsmith07] #1402660 03/15/13 01:11 PM 03/15/13 01:11 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,043 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,043 U.S.S.A.	Quote: anybody have experience in buying a block minus caps.looking to buy a 67 440 hp without them.would it be a dumb move money wise trying to machine non matching oe caps?btw,250.00 for the block.standard bore.any comments,opinions and stories welcome.thanks in advance,kent That's a lot of money for a block with no caps . Is this something you want because of date codes ? You'll be close to $800 into it by the time you are done putting caps on it if you go with aftermarket caps.

Re: 440 block but no caps [Re: JohnRR] #1402661 03/15/13 03:11 PM 03/15/13 03:11 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,185 PA. pittsburghracer "Little"John
pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,185 PA.	If you get it and can't find a stock set of caps I have a 68 HP block I will be scraping soon. 50 dollars plus shipping for the caps. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: 440 block but no caps [Re: kdsmith07] #1402662 03/15/13 05:13 PM 03/15/13 05:13 PM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada Dodgem master
Dodgem master Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada	I've done it with just a line hone always do that anyways! course 5 years later I found the box with the right caps in!

Re: 440 block but no caps [Re: Dodgem] #1402663 03/15/13 08:25 PM 03/15/13 08:25 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,311 Loganville GA. K kdsmith07 OP pro stock
kdsmith07 OP pro stock K Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,311 Loganville GA.	thanks guys for all the replies.i'm still up in the air about it.john,i don't need a 67 i just saw it on c/l.looking for a cheap block to mess around with.i found a 440 block w/caps for 150.00 and it's a 77 bored .040.i was told buy a few local "experts" that are smarter than me i think,not to buy it as your're not supposed to bore a thin wall 77 over .030.is that correct?should have come here first but i don't like feeling stupid.lol.thanks again in advance

Re: 440 block but no caps [Re: kdsmith07] #1402664 03/15/13 08:35 PM 03/15/13 08:35 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,399 Aurora, Colorado 451Mopar master
451Mopar master Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,399 Aurora, Colorado	Fairly common to go 0.055" over to a 4.375" bore. The "thin wall" myth has been debunked years ago.

Re: 440 block but no caps [Re: 451Mopar] #1402665 03/15/13 08:41 PM 03/15/13 08:41 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,311 Loganville GA. K kdsmith07 OP pro stock
kdsmith07 OP pro stock K Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,311 Loganville GA.	ok,thanks.think i'll go back and buy that one too.

Re: 440 block but no caps [Re: kdsmith07] #1402666 03/15/13 08:47 PM 03/15/13 08:47 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,185 PA. pittsburghracer "Little"John
pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,185 PA.	Quote: ok,thanks.think i'll go back and buy that one too. Here's some real good reading when you get a chance. http://www.440source.com/blockinfo.htm 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: 440 block but no caps [Re: pittsburghracer] #1402667 03/15/13 09:01 PM 03/15/13 09:01 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,311 Loganville GA. K kdsmith07 OP pro stock
kdsmith07 OP pro stock K Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,311 Loganville GA.	appreciate ya pittracer.think i'll read it now before i buy anything else.lol

Re: 440 block but no caps [Re: kdsmith07] #1402668 03/15/13 09:33 PM 03/15/13 09:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,416 Abilene, Texas F fastmark master
fastmark master F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,416 Abilene, Texas	I sonic tested all of my blocks and my 77-78 blocks were the best. Earlier ones are mostly good but some were really bad.

Re: 440 block but no caps [Re: fastmark] #1402669 03/16/13 12:49 AM 03/16/13 12:49 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	Thin wall is a myth. For 150 bucks I would scoop up the 77 block.

Re: 440 block but no caps [Re: 451Mopar] #1402670 03/16/13 06:04 AM 03/16/13 06:04 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: Just for a comparison of labor/machining costs, align boring/hone to fit aftermarket caps is around $450+ or more, plus the cost of the caps when I did the BCR aluminum caps with girdle on my 400 block. If you had a stock block with original caps, align hone is only around $100. My point is, if you don't need the aftermarket caps for your application, you can save money using a block with the stock caps even if it is a few $$$ more than a block without the main caps. Same as 451Mopar, I bought the BCR girdle and aluminum caps. They look very nice. Bought them for a 400 with the extra meat. Don't mind spending a little extra on it.

Re: 440 block but no caps #1402671 03/16/13 06:31 AM 03/16/13 06:31 AM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,141 junction city oregon V viperblue72 top fuel
viperblue72 top fuel V Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,141 junction city oregon	440 blocks are not hard to find. I would just be patient and find a standard bore motor with caps. I have never paid more than a few hundred bucks for a complete one.

Re: 440 block but no caps [Re: viperblue72] #1402672 03/16/13 07:58 AM 03/16/13 07:58 AM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,311 Loganville GA. K kdsmith07 OP pro stock
kdsmith07 OP pro stock K Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,311 Loganville GA.	thanks for all the info.knowledge is king.

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