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Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: RalphsRapidTrnst] #1396199
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My GTX's original drive train is in my basement. From air cleaner to windage trayed oil pan.
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Maybe a problem detected in Ralphs story. An oil pan with baffles spot welded inside is not called a windage tray. A windage tray is not part of the oil pan, it is a separate piece of metal with all the bolt holes for the oil pan going through it. The use of a windage tray requires 2 oil pan gaskets to seal it all up. see attached photo


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Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: NANKET] #1396200
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The east coast guys say unsilenced air cleaner, the west coast guys say same dual snorkle as 727.

Question for the east coast folks, of the cars sold new on the east coast, where were they built? Lynch Road?

The west coast cars are mostly LA built cars, with some St. louis built, and all ragtops are St Louis. I've seen no Lynch Road 67 B-bodies out here that were sold here new. The Certicards will tell you this info, another benefit of 67's.

Maybe this is the reason for the difference in these air cleaners, even though the only difference the parts book shows is for C.A.P.

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Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: RalphsRapidTrnst] #1396201
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Coolest thing about a 67 4spd GTX & R/T with a 440 mill was Chrysler gave you everything that came with the Hemi but the Hemi. Unsilenced Air Cleaner, Dana, Dual point dist, Clutch fan. ETC. Very cool for the first model year.




Ralph, Your list is incomplete, do you have anythig esle to add?

Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: NANKET] #1396202
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In the Ebay/CL/WIW section today is a '67 GTX in Central CA, with a nice photo of the air cleaner. Looks like a very (but not completely) original car, AT, dual snorkel.
Not that it's gonna settle the argument, just an FYI.

Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: NANKET] #1396203
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My GTX's original drive train is in my basement. From air cleaner to windage trayed oil pan.
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Maybe a problem detected in Ralphs story. An oil pan with baffles spot welded inside is not called a windage tray. A windage tray is not part of the oil pan, it is a separate piece of metal with all the bolt holes for the oil pan going through it. The use of a windage tray requires 2 oil pan gaskets to seal it all up. see attached photo






LOL It has a factory windage tray in it. Also has the splash baffle in the pan. But that came in all the 440 oil pans.

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Ralph, Your list is incomplete, do you have anythig esle to add?




Chrysler was and is still the best. When you got the hottest set up. Chrysler made sure you were king of the drag strip or what ever your Chrysler was engineered to do best. 440 4Spd cars in 1967 were set apart from the rest with added performance items found only on the Hemi in 1967.

Many still don't realize the differences in the models and how they changed with a simple drive train substitution.


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Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: NANKET] #1396204
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My GTX's original drive train is in my basement. From air cleaner to windage trayed oil pan.
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My GTX's original drive train is in my basement. From air cleaner to windage tray and Oil pan.


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Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: mopar4ya] #1396205
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I bought a 67 GTX new pick it up on Dec.1 1966 and the pie plate on the air cleaner said 440 Magnum.

Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: 1967GTX440] #1396206
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Interesting, unless my memory is gone which I don't think both my 4spd 67 GTX's had 440 Super Commando pie plate on the dual snorkel air cleaner like the ad shows.

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I bought a 67 GTX new pick it up on Dec.1 1966 and the pie plate on the air cleaner said 440 Magnum.





EXACTLY!! And the reason for a post I made earlier in this thread that I have copied below.


Yeah, well, understand this. The point is that things happened back in the day and they did not stop the production line because they were out of the air cleaner that was USUALLY installed so it would get what would fit. They could care less if it is making you scratch your head 40+ years later.

This is why there are always arguments from original owners about what was right and what is wrong because they never changed anything on their cars, but people think it is wrong because it does not match the norm. If it came from the factory that way then it is "as delivered." That doesn't necessarily mean that is the way the factory "intended" to send it out.

AND, if they were using the small un-silenced air cleaner in 66 what makes you think they didn't pop a few of them on the 67 GTX or R/Ts?

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Yeah, well, understand this. The point is that things happened back in the day and they did not stop the production line because they were out of the air cleaner that was USUALLY installed so it would get what would fit. They could care less if it is making you scratch your head 40+ years later.

This is why there are always arguments from original owners about what was right and what is wrong because they never changed anything on their cars, but people think it is wrong because it does not match the norm. If it came from the factory that way then it is "as delivered." That doesn't necessarily mean that is the way the factory "intended" to send it out.

AND, if they were using the small un-silenced air cleaner in 66 what makes you think they didn't pop a few of them on the 67 GTX or R/Ts?




Absolutely spot-on...

And if you've ever worked in the plants, or have talked to someone who did, it's pretty much a given...

Production vs. 'restoration' is a dangerous game...

Re: 67 440 GTX Air Cleaner [Re: RalphsRapidTrnst] #1396209
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There is much more out there that validates 4Spd cars came unsilenced. I didn't believe it 23 years ago till I reserched the differences in the Auto and 4Spd. I am sure some came from the factory with a dual snorkel but that was not the way they were to be delivered.




I have a friend that had an unrestored all original '67 GTX auto, A/C, and it had an unsilenced air cleaner and that was the original...

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I guess I am a little late to this party. I bought a 1967 GTX 4 speed brand new. I picked it up in December 1966 and drove it out of the dealers lot a week before Christmas. I had the dual snorkel non-CAP air cleaner that said 440 Super Commando on it. To finish up another post about the hemi parts on the 440 GTX, my car also had the 18 spline transmission and Dana 60 rear.

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