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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse
[Re: savoy64]
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02/13/13 10:27 PM
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savoy64
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the Tony Z story is about a self built car--his largest expense was $35000 for a 401 motor built by a nascar engine builder that was known for racing AMC's in his youth---in fact Tony was so broke on his first race he had to borrow a set of nascar road course tires---so i would imagine he did his car for way less than $100,000---maybe even less than $50,000....bob (639)
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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse
[Re: topbrent]
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02/17/13 08:34 PM
02/17/13 08:34 PM
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Manitoba Canada
67autocross
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Did they not put a new engine in that car a few years back? I think it was a 500hp small block.
A new iron curtain drawn across the 49th parallel
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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse
[Re: 67autocross]
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02/19/13 12:59 PM
02/19/13 12:59 PM
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there's a guy here building a track car http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=215832for a powerplant, you could go with a stroker (451 or whatever) running 13:1 compression on E85 with a quickfuel E85 carb. big block B or RB with aluminum top end weighs about 470lbs, or a bit less than an original all iron small block with the chassis set up right, light car, powerplant you would smoke him. i dont know about getting your cuda light enough, but it might be doable. abodies get a head start on weight reduction.
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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse
[Re: 74yellowduster]
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02/20/13 01:55 PM
02/20/13 01:55 PM
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there's a guy here building a track car
http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=215832
for a powerplant, you could go with a stroker (451 or whatever) running 13:1 compression on E85 with a quickfuel E85 carb. big block B or RB with aluminum top end weighs about 470lbs, or a bit less than an original all iron small block
with the chassis set up right, light car, powerplant you would smoke him.
i dont know about getting your cuda light enough, but it might be doable. abodies get a head start on weight reduction.
He's building a C-prepared autocross car. Not a really a track car.
John Sandburgs 70 AAR Cuda has own SCCA national in C-prepared ladies class. It's has a fabricated front end, 12" wide rims.... And most of all 40+ years autocross car building experience.
Still, this is not optimized to be an competitive track/road course car.
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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse
[Re: 67autocross]
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02/20/13 02:45 PM
02/20/13 02:45 PM
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Did they not put a new engine in that car a few years back? I think it was a 500hp small block.
Yep, Tim's car got a 427 inch SB which made about 500/500 on the dyno. We pulled the car apart in 2011 to make some changes and it hasn't gone back together yet.
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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse
[Re: domingo]
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02/20/13 05:16 PM
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I saw a magazine article that was comparing the mustang, corvette, and GTR on a track with a professional driver and full race logging gear. The mustang was handicapped by the absurdly stupid solid axle that they still put in them. It could hang in the straights and even catch up a little but it lost so much in the corners that it really didn't matter.
Build a light car with a full cage and fully modern and sorted independent suspension and modify it enough to put big tires under it. In the end you'll end up with something akin to the '64 Plymouth that Everham motorsports just did. It will have the outer look of an old car, but it will not be the same car at all.
'67 440 Satellite
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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse
[Re: Explodo]
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02/21/13 12:13 AM
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I saw a magazine article that was comparing the mustang, corvette, and GTR on a track with a professional driver and full race logging gear. The mustang was handicapped by the absurdly stupid solid axle that they still put in them. It could hang in the straights and even catch up a little but it lost so much in the corners that it really didn't matter.
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Mustang has seating for 4 too.
It's base $20K car modified into a car in the ballpark of those two fully designed super cars. One with a $50K msrp for the most basic version, the other $101K.
What they started out at, really isn't a good excuse. But the Mustang seats 4 and more trunk room.
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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse
[Re: 67autocross]
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02/21/13 01:24 AM
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I don't see why Mitches Challey couldn't whip it with a 100hp boost and some A6 rubber. Those Stangs are well built yes, but not THAT unbeatable.
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse
[Re: 72Swinger]
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02/21/13 04:29 PM
02/21/13 04:29 PM
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Mopar Mitch
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72Swinger/Emil... Thanks for the suggestive compliment that my Chally could outrun the late model cars... one factor is critical... the "nut behind the wheel" (I'm a little rusty and trying to get back into scene as time/$$ allows).
T/Ake care,
Mitch
Mopar Mitch
"Road racers and autocrossers go in deeper and come out harder!"... and rain never stops us from having fun with our cars... in fact, it makes us better drivers!
Check out MOPAR ACTION MAGAZINE, August 2006 issue for feature article and specs on my autocross T/A!
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