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can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse #1384487
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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: domingo] #1384488
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Since there are zero specs listed in the link as to performance or whatever it would be kind of hard to answer the question.


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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: domingo] #1384489
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what would it take?




a LOT


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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: domingo] #1384490
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Best chance would probably be to start with an older Viper. If you put the Viper on a diet, toss the V10 into the trash and drop in a road race version of the 6.1 or 6.4 then you might be able to hang with the big boys.

Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: domingo] #1384491
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It would take about the same $135,000 they will charge you for that car, might be less if you do lots of it yourself.


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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: 67autocross] #1384492
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Domingo, you are a smart guy.
Why would you ask if ANY old car can be made to beat the most modern, high dollar race car currently on the market?
Seems to be a loaded question for arguing OR a fantasy of a 15 year-old.

Since you are a smart guy, I will give you an answer. Get the most up to date race car from the past and build from there.
Maybe something like this with a modern V8...
http://www.allpar.com/racing/shelby-dodge-canam.html

Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: RodStRace] #1384493
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well, yes, maybe its the fantasy of a 15 year old....

I was at the local races yesterday, and a guy bought one of those mustangs, he even had 2 guys from the US come down here to set up the car for the race (who are experienced with the car) and it was fast in a straigh line, but the car was kinda heavy, had to brake sooner into the turns than the others (maybe it wasbecause it was too fast in the straights???), and it was tail happy around turns, like it needed bigger tires.

Down here, you dont have many classes, you just run what you bring....This one was on the "open class".

he obviously spent a lot of money.

Some locally built cars were faster, Mitsubishi evos and some older BMWs.

Money was defintely not the issue here.

The drivers were good, well at least one of them, he has won the national circuit championship, so that was not an issue either.

Yes, its a 15 year old dream....I like the old mopars and I thought it would be cool to build something just for the kick of it...even if it takes a complete frame and suspension swap.

Cant cost 135k no way to build something that handles good.

remember, no class rules here, so you can get away with things like huge tires, liter weight, etc.

Im gonna put the Hotchkis total suspension system on a cuda for starters and go spin some....I know it will run like a turd compared to these other cars, but oh well.....i just want to turn some laps with an old mopar....

and cant help but fantasize about what could be done...within reason of course.

Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: domingo] #1384494
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Yup, I have my own fanticies about an old Mopar beating the rest of the world in road races. but I don't have the money to even try.


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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: RodStRace] #1384495
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'65 Barracuda,275s front,295s rear,400" W9 dry sump, sequential 5 or 6 speed,coilovers and rack done.


Mopar to the bone!!!
Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: 72Swinger] #1384496
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for that kind money you could just buy a new nissan GTR that would spank that mustang

if I wanted to beat it cheaper, probably a modified EVO or STI should do it for less than half that

all the modified mustangs that come out to autox never seem to be in the top 10, more like around the middle of the pack - have never been impressed with them handling wise...

as for our mopars, that is my goal! don't know if it'll happen

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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: dangina] #1384497
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Here is a spec sheet for the 2 different road racing Mustangs they offer

http://www.fordracingparts.com/competition/bosscompare.asp

Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: dangina] #1384498
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Hey, we all dream!

Too bad this ad is 3 years old...

http://www.viperalley.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=5011

Wonder if an Atom with an aluminum Hemi would be considered a Mopar? I really like the idea of 2 Hyabusa 4s merged into a V8 tho...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GVfFCH-7_c

Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: PHJ426] #1384499
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Here is a spec sheet for the 2 different road racing Mustangs they offer

http://www.fordracingparts.com/competition/bosscompare.asp




Those are real race cars, Roush just won Daytona in one. Your not going to drive your old car to the track and lay a smack down on one of these without sending a lot of money.

http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/2013/01/27/roush-boss-302r-wins-grand-am-season-opener-at-daytona/


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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: 67autocross] #1384500
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Here is a Challenger that is raced in Grand am, I don't think you can buy it from Mopar as far as I know.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRt5zj70P9Y


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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: 67autocross] #1384501
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Here is a spec sheet for the 2 different road racing Mustangs they offer

http://www.fordracingparts.com/competition/bosscompare.asp




Those are real race cars, Roush just won Daytona in one. Your not going to drive your old car to the track and lay a smack down on one of these without sending a lot of money.

http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/2013/01/27/roush-boss-302r-wins-grand-am-season-opener-at-daytona/




well, i can tell you it got its ass handed by at least 3 locally built cars. maybe its because we dont have any strict class rules, its a run what you brung deal. 2 cars were AWD Evos, the otger one was a newer M3 and the other one was an 80s M3.

Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: domingo] #1384502
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Sorry guys, yes I think this is a 15 year old wet dreams thread.

No pun intended!

My bad!

Ill just go and turn some laps on my Hotchkis equipped cuda and who cares if Im the slowest of them all. Ill just do it in style.

Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: PHJ426] #1384503
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Here is a spec sheet for the 2 different road racing Mustangs they offer

http://www.fordracingparts.com/competition/bosscompare.asp




More like a parts listing rather than a spec sheet. Still don't know the relevant performance numbers in order to have a goal to shoot for.


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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: domingo] #1384504
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Quote:

Quote:

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Here is a spec sheet for the 2 different road racing Mustangs they offer

http://www.fordracingparts.com/competition/bosscompare.asp




Those are real race cars, Roush just won Daytona in one. Your not going to drive your old car to the track and lay a smack down on one of these without sending a lot of money.

http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/2013/01/27/roush-boss-302r-wins-grand-am-season-opener-at-daytona/




well, i can tell you it got its ass handed by at least 3 locally built cars. maybe its because we dont have any strict class rules, its a run what you brung deal. 2 cars were AWD Evos, the otger one was a newer M3 and the other one was an 80s M3.




O.k so Evos and newer M3's can outrun it, I still think it would be hard to build an old Mopar to outrun the 302R given the same driver on a road course.


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Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: dangina] #1384505
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for that kind money you could just buy a new nissan GTR that would spank that mustang

if I wanted to beat it cheaper, probably a modified EVO or STI should do it for less than half that

all the modified mustangs that come out to autox never seem to be in the top 10, more like around the middle of the pack - have never been impressed with them handling wise...

as for our mopars, that is my goal! don't know if it'll happen




the owner of that mustang drives a 2012 gtr on the street!

here is his car....my original 440.6 4 speed shaker cuda beside it.

Re: can an old mopar be built 2 outrun this on a racecourse [Re: domingo] #1384506
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Put a 90 yr old with clacoma (sp?) Behind the whell of the stang and it'll be buried in the forst corner.

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