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Re: gary williams dominator
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02/09/13 11:20 AM
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DaveRS23
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I find the SV-1 very interesting and would like to see if one would improve the way my car idles and transitions. But I can find very little real world experiences and what I do find is rather mixed.
It would seem that after being available for several years, if it was clearly an improvement, we would be hearing more positive reports and seeing an increasing number of them. But we're really not.
That being said, if I had the chance, I would like to strap one on for a while. Just to see.
Master, again and still
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Re: gary williams dominator
[Re: 1967Valiant]
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02/09/13 04:24 PM
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Before wasting money on that, I would look at pro systems sv1. I have used a lot of them and no dominator holds a candle to them.
have u seen yellowbullet threads on sv1? Me personally i think Dale Cubic or De vinci is another option when spending that much coin,
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Re: gary williams dominator
[Re: fishy340]
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02/09/13 04:57 PM
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moparniac
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First off my mopar mentor(RIP) had 2 different GW dominators and they worked great on his 499 Indy 440-1 all motor bracket car and went high 8s.
SV1 - I run one! It works good! I first bought it when the motor was different and I broke a couple lifters and the engine is different now from when I bought it so I have done tuning on it and have been picking up. I lent the SV1 out to a member on here with a HEMI with more power than me and he has a 1250 PS dominator and my SV1 is 1212 cfm! He told me he went .05 slower with the SV1 (he can verify) but did not mess with my carb and his is tuned for his combo...since I have had my carb back I made a adjustment on back to back passes and I picked up 1.6 mph in the 1/8th . I have one of the early SV1s and still working on it.
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Re: gary williams dominator
[Re: fishy340]
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02/09/13 05:40 PM
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My as delivered SV1 for MY combo 1212 at the time Sv1 was .05 slower than the than a 1250 PS dominator for HEMI. I feel pretty confident my SV1 for the same engine now would be better on the HEMI and I'm not done yet.  Carb MFGs and style mean nothing to me. Just telling my experience. Don't wanna buy a SV1 I could csew less just sharing... 
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Re: gary williams dominator
[Re: 1967Valiant]
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02/09/13 10:07 PM
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DaveRS23
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The reason you don't see a lot more of them is because they are different. Just like efi people are scared.
I don't think the primary issue is fear of something new. It is the cost/benefit ratio. I have looked at both EFI and the SV-1.
EFI is just too expensive for the benefits it brings. AND it can be even more difficult than a Dominator to dial in. Just look at some of the threads here on Moparts. And then you have your new EFI system going obsolete before you get it out of the box. Just too much drama.
It seems that for a few high horsepower applications, the SV-1 shows good promise. But again, for it's cost, you can have a Dominator custom built AND tuned on your engine by someone like Willy's Carbs.
If the reports of the end users of the SV-1 and EFI were positive overall, I would be in. Being new is a plus not a problem as far as I am concerned.
In my opinion, neither one is ready for prime time. Maybe someday.
Master, again and still
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Re: gary williams dominator
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02/10/13 01:17 AM
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I actually have three of them. The one Chris posted is on my Barracuda and is basically a blue printed piece. I have a pair on my 99 Hemi and we are happy as can be with all three of them The B1 deal is a throttle stop, Super class car where consistency has to be there. The other two on the 99 are in a heads up deal...
If you want my opinion on Pro Systems feel free to PM me and I can share my experiences.
"I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know."
"It's never wrong to do the right thing"
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Re: gary williams dominator
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02/10/13 12:35 PM
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heres another dominator I just found (tony jones). ever heard of these? whats the difference between a 8896 and a 9375 dom?
APD would be another good choice IMO
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Re: gary williams dominator
[Re: mopar dave]
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02/12/13 10:28 AM
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A friend of mine has a BIG (1400+ cfm) Gary Williams dominator and it works good now, but had to send it back a time or two to get it right. I would NOT buy a used SV1 off ebay or any other site. Buy one that's been built for YOUR combo! There are a lot of variations w/ those carbs. Some people have had a bunch of issues w/ them, especially the earlier models, but a lot love them. If I was gonna buy a brand new carb tomorrow I'd get an SV1. I did try Sledgehammer's SV1 on my hemi and it did slow down a little, but like he said, my Pro Systems 1200 dominator is dialed in on my combo and I wasn't gonna screw w/ his carb much. All I did was make a couple of jet changes. It was about 1/2 a tenth and 1/2 a mph slower, so definitely not bad.
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Re: gary williams dominator
[Re: mopar dave]
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02/12/13 07:56 PM
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I believe ya. that's a great price,but I think its way too big for my program. my 408 is only 11.5:1. makes around 600hp. a 1050 may be pushing it,but thanks for the offer.
JMO but, I wouldn't buy a Gary Williams carb again. His customer service is the worst. APD is the best thing going IMO for a conventional Dominator. For what you are doing however, I would just but an off the shelf 1050 from Summit or Jegs. The 9375 style should work well for you. I have a Chuck Nyten available for a reasonable price if you have your hear set on an aftermarket piece.
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Re: gary williams dominator
[Re: mopar dave]
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02/13/13 09:18 PM
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camastomcat
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I thought the 9375 were set up for dual carbs? Haven't heard much of the Nuyten carbs. what size is it and what was it run on?
I have had it for 10 years and it's been run on my 446 -1 stuff to my 572 B1 stuff. It's the 8896-1 model. I used it mostly for S/C S/G stuff. I call it my super class carb. I have bigger and faster ones fro APD now.
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Re: gary williams dominator
[Re: mopar dave]
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02/14/13 12:33 AM
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Mopar-Al
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That sounds alittle big for my program but thanks.
?  it's a 1050 dominator for 1 4v app. He was telling you what he was using it for 
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Re: gary williams dominator
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02/14/13 01:17 AM
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Mopar-Al
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I would think a dom set up for a 572 would be just alittle different than one for a 408. like maybe diff metering blocks.
I would think just a jet change with a few minor adjustments myself. Your prob going to end up with 88 to 90 jets anyways.
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Re: gary williams dominator
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02/14/13 05:56 PM
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camastomcat
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imho unless you're willing to drop BIG bucks on books, braswell or the like you're better off just buying a new holley that hasn't been molested. holley has been upgrading their product in recent years and the gen3 is supposed to be released soon. too may carburetors have been ruined by being "improved".
Maybe I've been lucky, but the APD's have been flawless and the Nuyten worked out well for what it was designed for. I have heard however, that the new Holleys are nice OTB.
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Re: gary williams dominator
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02/14/13 06:25 PM
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imho unless you're willing to drop BIG bucks on books, braswell or the like you're better off just buying a new holley that hasn't been molested. holley has been upgrading their product in recent years and the gen3 is supposed to be released soon. too may carburetors have been ruined by being "improved".
Maybe I've been lucky, but the APD's have been flawless and the Nuyten worked out well for what it was designed for. I have heard however, that the new Holleys are nice OTB.
i guess my point is that most guys would be better off buying an unmolested holley right from the start. not that the companies you mentioned can't or won't deliver a good product but from a cost/benefit ratio there are usually other places the money is better spent.
it would be nice to see a direct comparison between the carbs you mentioned and a properly sized/tuned holley shelf carb. by tuned i mean minor jet/calibration changes.
afaik the gen 3 ultra dominators haven't been released yet...neither summit or jegs show the PNs. incidentally it looks like holley has upped the ante as their showing some carbs with 2.02" & 2.1" venturis, both having 2.35" throttle bores and flowing 1350 & 1475 CFM respectively. the gen 3s are also taller to improve the throat entry, be interesting to see how they work out.
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