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My Plans have changed to a Hemi #1374990 01/24/13 02:56 PM 01/24/13 02:56 PM
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,823 Wind Gap,Pa. S Sammy OP top fuel
Sammy OP top fuel S Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,823 Wind Gap,Pa.	Building a Aluminum block Hemi with Stage V heads and GRP rods so what size should I go with? I want atleast 1100 HP. The KB block is finished at 4.50 now and The rods are 7.100 What would you do.

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: Sammy] #1374991 01/24/13 03:29 PM 01/24/13 03:29 PM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY HEMIFRED master
HEMIFRED master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	Quote: I want atleast 1100 HP. at least 600 inches use stage v millennium heads plus a very large pile of cash home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: HEMIFRED] #1374992 01/24/13 03:33 PM 01/24/13 03:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376 D dogdays I Live Here
dogdays I Live Here D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376	Build the largest shortblock you can afford. R.

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: HEMIFRED] #1374993 01/24/13 03:37 PM 01/24/13 03:37 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,957 West Coast, CA T Troy master
Troy master T Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,957 West Coast, CA	I love it when people toss around HP numbers like dirty underwear. I would to see pictures of the chassis that this engine is going into. ....there is nothing like driving my 1968 Hemi Dart around town and having people looking at you like you're nuts!!

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: Troy] #1374994 01/24/13 04:40 PM 01/24/13 04:40 PM
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,823 Wind Gap,Pa. S Sammy OP top fuel
Sammy OP top fuel S Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,823 Wind Gap,Pa.	I got the stage V heads already not millienium.

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: Sammy] #1374995 01/24/13 04:48 PM 01/24/13 04:48 PM
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,823 Wind Gap,Pa. S Sammy OP top fuel
Sammy OP top fuel S Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,823 Wind Gap,Pa.	What stro9ke should I go?

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: Sammy] #1374996 01/24/13 04:51 PM 01/24/13 04:51 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 915 Cincinnati OH B Bishop super stock
Bishop super stock B Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 915 Cincinnati OH	4.75 stroke if you have a raised cam block with Alum. rods

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: Bishop] #1374997 01/24/13 04:56 PM 01/24/13 04:56 PM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA B G Racing master
B G Racing master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA	If you go with a raised cam you will be limited to the expense of a timing belt and if you go with the Millinium head be prepared to modify lifter angle or spacing.When you set your sights to the moon,remember outer space travel gets expensive.Just ask HemiFred. [IMG]http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq21/ajcasini/max_zpsdppwd9km.jpg[/IMG]

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: Sammy] #1374998 01/24/13 05:47 PM 01/24/13 05:47 PM
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,823 Wind Gap,Pa. S Sammy OP top fuel
Sammy OP top fuel S Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,823 Wind Gap,Pa.	raised cam block

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: Sammy] #1374999 01/24/13 07:03 PM 01/24/13 07:03 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,162 s e mich ro23car super stock
ro23car super stock Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,162 s e mich	those 600 dollar cams are nice.

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: ro23car] #1375000 01/24/13 07:13 PM 01/24/13 07:13 PM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY HEMIFRED master
HEMIFRED master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	1200 hp costs roughly block 6,000 rods 1500 pistons pins rings 1500 crank 3,000 intake 3,000 carbs 2,000 belt drive 1400 front drive distributer 500 rocker arms 3500 cam ,push rods, lifters etc 2,000 head complete CNC titanium valves,etc 7500 oil pan oil pump etc 1,000 plus machine work and labor home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: ro23car] #1375001 01/24/13 07:41 PM 01/24/13 07:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,363 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,363 Las Vegas	$600 cams. Man I wish they were that cheap for a 99 Hemi, as well as some of those other pieces and prices Fred listed. For instance the belt drive is $3400 for the 99. Why not just buy someones 99 Hemi, makes 1300+ HP and only 499" As stated already build it big and use the best head you can find. Headflow is what will determine HP, well that and RPM. Combine the two and you can make it with a wheel barrow full of cash. "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." "It's never wrong to do the right thing"

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: HEMIFRED] #1375002 01/24/13 07:51 PM 01/24/13 07:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,266 Renton Washington T Triple Threat master
Triple Threat master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,266 Renton Washington	Quote: 1200 hp costs roughly block 6,000 rods 1500 pistons pins rings 1500 crank 3,000 intake 3,000 carbs 2,000 belt drive 1400 front drive distributer 500 rocker arms 3500 cam ,push rods, lifters etc 2,000 head complete CNC titanium valves,etc 7500 oil pan oil pump etc 1,000 plus machine work and labor This adds up to $32,900 if anyone was curious. Not including the machine work and labor. So add 4-10K more for that and incidentals Or, buy Al's 99 and make 1340+ for a fraction. -Dustin 67 Dart, 9 second, 392" G3 Hemi 68 Barracuda 340 F/SA

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: Al_Alguire] #1375003 01/24/13 08:10 PM 01/24/13 08:10 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,392 nielsville, minn. Q quickd100 master
quickd100 master Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,392 nielsville, minn.	A 4.75" crank will fit fine in a standard cam block. I got my rotating assembly from Bob George , I used the chevy width journel crank and the 7.10" steel rods. Very little additional clearancing was required over my old 528 rotating assembly. You'll need some Good heads.Dave

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: quickd100] #1375004 01/24/13 09:31 PM 01/24/13 09:31 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,162 s e mich ro23car super stock
ro23car super stock Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,162 s e mich	i got 960 out of a 572 with replacement heads and cast crossram. i dont know how much more it would take but i think it could be done without millenium heads.

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: ro23car] #1375005 01/25/13 12:13 AM 01/25/13 12:13 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,392 nielsville, minn. Q quickd100 master
quickd100 master Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,392 nielsville, minn.	I got 852hp and 818ftlbs. out of my pumpgas 605. The heads are to small and it's done making power at 5800rpm. It still makes more power than my chassis has been able to use. I'm certain with the right combination you'll hit your goal.Dave

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: quickd100] #1375006 01/25/13 12:19 AM 01/25/13 12:19 AM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,845 Tampa D DusterDave top fuel
DusterDave top fuel D Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,845 Tampa	Or, just go the easy way and put a Roots blower on it. Gone to the dark side with an LS3 powered '57 Chevy 210

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: ro23car] #1375007 01/25/13 09:27 AM 01/25/13 09:27 AM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 175 Ohio H hemi-challenger member
hemi-challenger member H Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 175 Ohio	Sam : There is a Keith Black Gear drive for raised cam block on e-bay you might want to look at it.

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: hemi-challenger] #1375008 01/25/13 11:29 AM 01/25/13 11:29 AM
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,823 Wind Gap,Pa. S Sammy OP top fuel
Sammy OP top fuel S Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,823 Wind Gap,Pa.	I got MGP 7.100 aluminum rods and raised cam block.I'm wondering if I could fit a Bryant 4.75 stroke crank with 2.20 journals.I think that's the hot ticket if it works out. 15.5 compression.

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: Sammy] #1375009 01/25/13 01:30 PM 01/25/13 01:30 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,566 Motor City 6 6PKRTSE master
6PKRTSE master 6 Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,566 Motor City	Man, after reading all of this & knowing the costs I will have in my HEMI makes me think I should of went with a BBC. 1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute 1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack 1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi 1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL 1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383 1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440 1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4 2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4 2012 Challenger R/T Classic.

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: 6PKRTSE] #1375010 01/25/13 06:10 PM 01/25/13 06:10 PM
A Anonymous Unregistered
Anonymous Unregistered A	Price one out and you will see that it is not cheap to build any brand in that HP bracket. It's just money.......spend away.

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: Triple Threat] #1375011 01/25/13 09:21 PM 01/25/13 09:21 PM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY HEMIFRED master
HEMIFRED master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	Quote: Quote: 1200 hp costs roughly block 6,000 rods 1500 pistons pins rings 1500 crank 3,000 intake 3,000 carbs 2,000 belt drive 1400 front drive distributer 500 rocker arms 3500 cam ,push rods, lifters etc 2,000 head complete CNC titanium valves,etc 7500 oil pan oil pump etc 1,000 plus machine work and labor This adds up to $32,900 if anyone was curious. Not including the machine work and labor. So add 4-10K more for that and incidentals Or, buy Al's 99 and make 1340+ for a fraction. Of course I didn't include any over the top additions as in diamond coated valves in mine. 175.00 each , CAMFX rollers 1500.00, actual cost my pistons, rings,pins and coatings 2250.00, machine for 55 mm rollerized cam bearings,cost rod,main,cam bearings all coated.studs for heads and mains.Vacume pump 1700.00 In all total costs were close to 42,000 604" net result 1178 HP 860 lb torque all motor home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: HEMIFRED] #1375012 01/25/13 09:41 PM 01/25/13 09:41 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,106 Quebec, Canada D Diablo super stock
Diablo super stock D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,106 Quebec, Canada	Quote: Quote: Quote: 1200 hp costs roughly block 6,000 rods 1500 pistons pins rings 1500 crank 3,000 intake 3,000 carbs 2,000 belt drive 1400 front drive distributer 500 rocker arms 3500 cam ,push rods, lifters etc 2,000 head complete CNC titanium valves,etc 7500 oil pan oil pump etc 1,000 plus machine work and labor This adds up to $32,900 if anyone was curious. Not including the machine work and labor. So add 4-10K more for that and incidentals Or, buy Al's 99 and make 1340+ for a fraction. Of course I didn't include any over the top additions as in diamond coated valves in mine. 175.00 each , CAMFX rollers 1500.00, actual cost my pistons, rings,pins and coatings 2250.00, machine for 55 mm rollerized cam bearings,cost rod,main,cam bearings all coated.studs for heads and mains.Vacume pump 1700.00 In all total costs were close to 42,000 604" net result 1178 HP 860 lb torque all motor Isn't it fun to make Real HP numbers!!! Should we tell them what it cost to keep these engines happy with maintenance and rebuilds? 7561321-hemicassel.jpg (61 downloads) Last edited by Diablo; 01/25/13 09:48 PM.

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: Diablo] #1375013 01/26/13 01:15 AM 01/26/13 01:15 AM
A Anonymous Unregistered
Anonymous Unregistered A	Ok......so which 7-elevens are you guys robbing.

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: Sammy] #1375014 01/26/13 01:52 AM 01/26/13 01:52 AM
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74yellowduster member 7 Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 167 maryland	looks like a dodge ram head to me from the front lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XvBVMX7BCo here is the full build for the car that motor is going into http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=23340&highlight=coronet Last edited by 74yellowduster; 01/26/13 01:54 AM.

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: 74yellowduster] #1375015 01/26/13 09:24 AM 01/26/13 09:24 AM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 872 NJ SSDAcuda super stock
SSDAcuda super stock Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 872 NJ	Quote: looks like a dodge ram head to me from the front lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XvBVMX7BCo here is the full build for the car that motor is going into http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=23340&highlight=coronet WOW!!!! SS/DA 1924

Re: My Plans have changed to a Hemi [Re: Diablo] #1375016 01/26/13 12:20 PM 01/26/13 12:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,917 A shed in England Tig master
Tig master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,917 A shed in England	Quote: Isn't it fun to make Real HP numbers!!! Should we tell them what it cost to keep these engines happy with maintenance and rebuilds? Yes please, I need to know (see sig) '74 Challenger..9.46 @ 145.9 1/4, 6.001 @ 118 1/8 so far. 4023lb !!! # N/A, Marsh performance 655ci, Indy Maxx, T/R, Indy 600-13 X's, Street legal, pump gas, full interior, Cal-Tracs, mufflers, 3:73's and real 10.5 radials. 9.51 @ 142.4 1/4, 6.003 @ 114 1/8 with our old mule KB, 572-13, 580 wedge. RHD '68 Barracuda Fastback 323ci street/strip. Best ET 13.88 @ 99.03

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