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Engine travel limiters with an Engine plate?
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01/22/13 06:06 PM
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What are you all using to limit the forward/rearward movement of your engine when running a motor plate? Are you using anything at all?
I am helping out a friend with some parts on his car, it's a World RB block and Powerslide trans. He has an engine plate and the standard trans mount. No mid plate unfortunately. The engine bay is painted and there isn't a lot of room in the lower section of the bay.
I would love to see some pics of your set ups, or hear your opinions on whether they are required or not?
Thanks in advance
Alan Jones
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Re: Engine travel limiters with an Engine plate?
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Yes you need them(at least 1)... if the car launches hard it could bottom out the drive shaft... I use one on both sides of the engine attached to the motor mount ears.... sorry no pics 
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Re: Engine travel limiters with an Engine plate?
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I run a front motor plate on my MP Megablock without any midplate or engine limiters. I run a standard transmission mount and solid motor mounts.I bought a mid plate from S&W but did not have enough room to install with stock firewall,inner fenders and chassis. Have been doing this for the last 6 years without any problems. B body 3600 lbs.,572 motor mid 9's with 1.30 60 fts. Best of 8.62/161 mph with juice! It does leave HARD and has not broken anything yet. Probably 400 + passes!  Mike
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Re: Engine travel limiters with an Engine plate?
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I use the ears on the trans.[727]. They are just infront of the crossmember. I believe they are there to hold the trans during assembly.
A simple strut/rod back to the crossmember will do it.
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Re: Engine travel limiters with an Engine plate?
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I use the ears on the trans.[727]. They are just infront of the crossmember. I believe they are there to hold the trans during assembly.
A simple strut/rod back to the crossmember will do it.
Me to.
Doug
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Re: Engine travel limiters with an Engine plate?
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never used them, but the plate has reinforcement.several cars set up similar with no problems.
Tony.. I dont know why you have those little tubes
out there behind the plate at the outside edge...
they do nothing
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Re: Engine travel limiters with an Engine plate?
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I used 2 off my rear trans crossmember to the bellhousing. 1/2 CM rod with 3/8 ends. Then a rubber mount on the trans. I have a 1/4 front alum plate and a .090 mid plate made of steel. Makes trans removal and clutch work a lot nicer.
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Re: Engine travel limiters with an Engine plate?
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Mike, looks like to me that those little bars were welded to hold the plate that the motor plate bolts to....rather than just using an "L" off the frame rail.
I didn't use one for years on my RB Mirada... until I was chasing a tail shaft breakage issue, then we installed one. That wasn't the problem.
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Re: Engine travel limiters with an Engine plate?
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Mike, looks like to me that those little bars were welded to hold the plate that the motor plate bolts to....rather than just using an "L" off the frame rail.
I didn't use one for years on my RB Mirada... until I was chasing a tail shaft breakage issue, then we installed one. That wasn't the problem.
I swear I see a bracket "L" welded to the frame and
he is holding the top of the plate with those bars
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Re: Engine travel limiters with an Engine plate?
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Thanks for the replies
Will have to get under the car today and have a look and see where we can put something.
Alan Jones
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Re: Engine travel limiters with an Engine plate?
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Thanks for the replies
Will have to get under the car today and have a look and see where we can put something.
Look at maybe going to the oil pan bolts at the front
corners and going forward... if you use those I would
use 2 limiters... if you have zero momentum its easier
to hold it still
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Re: Engine travel limiters with an Engine plate?
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never used them, but the plate has reinforcement.several cars set up similar with no problems.
Tony.. I dont know why you have those little tubes
out there behind the plate at the outside edge...
they do nothing
been 300+ passes no problems, 
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Re: Engine travel limiters with an Engine plate?
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after breaking 3 tailstock housings--i got smart and fixed the
problem----FLEX----
I did what DVW did to fix mine,i made bars from the trans mount to the ears on the trans---FIX IT--never broke another ext housing
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Re: Engine travel limiters with an Engine plate?
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when I got the car in the sig pic the trans mount was destroyed, so I looked into an engine limiter. The engine compartment is tight and I wanted to limit the fore and aft movement as direct as possible and not have a single limiter angled in any way, so I built a bracket that mounts to 4 pan studs with a straight shot to two tabs welded on the K-frame. It was a S&W kit (I believe). It was been on there for 4 years and still works great. I thought the pan studs would be stressed, but they are all still straight and I think spreading the load over 4 studs helped. The motor is out of the car if you want pics of the bracket.
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Re: Engine travel limiters with an Engine plate?
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Re: Engine travel limiters with an Engine plate?
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I personally wouldn't use the trans ear to crossmember version as I think it would still put a lot of strain on the aluminum transmission case, it may work for some, but I'd rather go from the motor mount pads to the k member or frame rails. 
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Re: Engine travel limiters with an Engine plate?
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I personally wouldn't use the trans ear to crossmember version as I think it would still put a lot of strain on the aluminum transmission case, it may work for some, but I'd rather go from the motor mount pads to the k member or frame rails.
I dont see a problem using them... its on the main
case and is applying the load forward through the
case.. if it were on the tailshaft I would look elsewhere...
I use the engine mount ears also but if you think
about it, the limiters could stress the block in that
area .... JMO
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Re: Engine travel limiters with an Engine plate?
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I personally wouldn't use the trans ear to crossmember version as I think it would still put a lot of strain on the aluminum transmission case, it may work for some, but I'd rather go from the motor mount pads to the k member or frame rails.
I have the same question and I did it anyway. I'll let you know how it works out.
Doug
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Re: Engine travel limiters with an Engine plate?
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We are probably going to go off the trans ears on his Glide. If the World block was machined for the Hemi? (Three threaded holes in the block, rather than the ears/lugs), we would have gone off there.
Thanks for the pics and replies
Alan Jones
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