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Index racing #1361508 12/30/12 02:37 PM 12/30/12 02:37 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 984 San Diego CA 6 65 Hemi OP super stock
65 Hemi OP super stock 6 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 984 San Diego CA	Anybody here index race? I'm going to try 6.00 and 7.00 1/8 mile no electronics in OKC/TX this year with 2 cars. First time- What should I look out for or be aware of? Doug MOPAR or NO CAR!!! 1965 Dodge Coronet soon a 6.1 Hemi with a Magnson blower 810 hp on pump gas 1964 Dodge Polara 582" Indy alum Block 426-1RA heads, 1933 Plymouth PE all Steel, LT1 4L60E 1959 Plymouth Savoy 33,000 mile survivor Old cars are never done. They are ongoing projects!

Re: Index racing [Re: 65 Hemi] #1361509 12/30/12 02:45 PM 12/30/12 02:45 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,988 new jersey usa 1 11secdart master
11secdart master 1 Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,988 new jersey usa	I`m going to try it this year also,11.50 index. I run Street Eliminator ( 11.50 -19.99) and can set the car to go consistent 11.50s but Street is on a full tree and 11.50 index is on a Pro tree. That will be the difference for me as I`ve always ran on a full tree. Racing two classes on the same day will be interesting. 68 Dart 410 / 904 92 D150 original owner 21 Ram 1500 Quad Cab, Big Horn , Hemi ,4x4 23 Audi Q5 16 Honda HRV

Re: Index racing [Re: 11secdart] #1361510 12/30/12 02:53 PM 12/30/12 02:53 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 984 San Diego CA 6 65 Hemi OP super stock
65 Hemi OP super stock 6 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 984 San Diego CA	Quote: I`m going to try it this year also,11.50 index. I run Street Eliminator ( 11.50 -19.99) and can set the car to go consistent 11.50s but Street is on a full tree and 11.50 index is on a Pro tree. That will be the difference for me as I`ve always ran on a full tree. Racing two classes on the same day will be interesting. Wife or friend will help or drive one of the cars. Doug MOPAR or NO CAR!!! 1965 Dodge Coronet soon a 6.1 Hemi with a Magnson blower 810 hp on pump gas 1964 Dodge Polara 582" Indy alum Block 426-1RA heads, 1933 Plymouth PE all Steel, LT1 4L60E 1959 Plymouth Savoy 33,000 mile survivor Old cars are never done. They are ongoing projects!

Re: Index racing [Re: 65 Hemi] #1361511 12/30/12 03:14 PM 12/30/12 03:14 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 570 Brea, Ca D Dart Racer mopar
Dart Racer mopar D Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 570 Brea, Ca	I race a 10.50 Index class and one of the things that I realized pretty quickly is that it is a lot harder to run the same number every time with changing conditions than just changing the number on the windshield. I'd keep good records of each run with conditions and what changes you made to maintain the index. Data is king. I also went to one of the under carb manual restrictors to make those small changes required by changing condititons. I choose the ET Genie and in conjunction with Crew Cheif Pro predictor software can predict within .004 what the car will run after I put in the weather changes since last run. Also would suggest that you make sure you car is exactly the same from run to run. IE; keep same amount of gas, tire pressure, etc. Even try to make sure the engine temp is the same at launch each time. I go so far as to warm the car up in the early rounds so that in the later rounds when you don't have time to cool between rounds the engine will launch at the saem temp. Remember you are looking for consistency not the quickest ET. My .02 worth.....

Re: Index racing [Re: 11secdart] #1361512 12/30/12 03:16 PM 12/30/12 03:16 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,762 Hot Rod Ridge FastmOp master
FastmOp master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,762 Hot Rod Ridge	That's about all I do with the Valiant. Its a blast and as hard to win at as any bracket race. The tree is the key!

Re: Index racing [Re: Dart Racer] #1361513 12/30/12 03:22 PM 12/30/12 03:22 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 984 San Diego CA 6 65 Hemi OP super stock
65 Hemi OP super stock 6 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 984 San Diego CA	Quote: I race a 10.50 Index class and one of the things that I realized pretty quickly is that it is a lot harder to run the same number every time with changing conditions than just changing the number on the windshield. I'd keep good records of each run with conditions and what changes you made to maintain the index. Data is king. I also went to one of the under carb manual restrictors to make those small changes required by changing condititons. I choose the ET Genie and in conjunction with Crew Cheif Pro predictor software can predict within .004 what the car will run after I put in the weather changes since last run. Also would suggest that you make sure you car is exactly the same from run to run. IE; keep same amount of gas, tire pressure, etc. Even try to make sure the engine temp is the same at launch each time. I go so far as to warm the car up in the early rounds so that in the later rounds when you don't have time to cool between rounds the engine will launch at the saem temp. Remember you are looking for consistency not the quickest ET. My .02 worth..... Thanks for the input. I was a et chaser for many years but it seams like everyone is good so fast now days. There is not much satisfaction in et chasing any more. Doug MOPAR or NO CAR!!! 1965 Dodge Coronet soon a 6.1 Hemi with a Magnson blower 810 hp on pump gas 1964 Dodge Polara 582" Indy alum Block 426-1RA heads, 1933 Plymouth PE all Steel, LT1 4L60E 1959 Plymouth Savoy 33,000 mile survivor Old cars are never done. They are ongoing projects!

Re: Index racing [Re: 65 Hemi] #1361514 12/30/12 03:43 PM 12/30/12 03:43 PM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,141 Phoenix,Az. H hemicop super stock
hemicop super stock H Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,141 Phoenix,Az.	Good Luck! As others have said, data & consistency is the key & when racing guys that are SERIOUS about it, that means you'll be racing what I call an "electronic car" --throttle stops, timers, ignition retards, active suspension, transbrakes, are all part of the "game" & for those of us that like running all out or seeing just how good a driver REALLY is the leectrics (IMO) take all the fun out of it. If it still appeals to you, plan on spending at least $1,500 on upgrades, less the data recorder......

Re: Index racing [Re: hemicop] #1361515 12/30/12 04:14 PM 12/30/12 04:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,665 Stuttgart, Arkansas rickseeman master
rickseeman master Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,665 Stuttgart, Arkansas	All we really do around here is index race. The only problem is getting your car to run the number in the first place. I have a buddy with a car that will run 6.16 and he spent all year and $26,000 (rebuilt the motor twice and changed the converter 9 times) trying to get it to run 6.0. If he would have run the 6.50 class (we have one of those here) he would have had an easy (and inexpensive) year. But noooo, you know drag racers, they always want to go faster. 6.0 and 7.0 are popular. 6.0 takes a lot of power and eats parts. 7.0 is cheaper and easier to make hook up. Index racing is great and you are still set up for bracket racing if you want to do that. 2011 Drag Pak Challenger

Re: Index racing [Re: rickseeman] #1361516 12/30/12 04:28 PM 12/30/12 04:28 PM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,141 Phoenix,Az. H hemicop super stock
hemicop super stock H Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,141 Phoenix,Az.	.......And that's the problem with index racing! For 26k he could've built a different car, or, as you said, simply slowed down & saved quite a few bucks. The problem, as I see it, is that any racer naturally wants to build the best stuff he can, then he has worry about SLOWING the car down or he LOSES?!?! ....... NO THANKS! I'll build my junk MY way then worry about who I "please" with it. Will I win trophies and/or money? Probably not. But I also won't get fingered for sandbagging, relying on electronics or penalized for for building a fast car..

Re: Index racing [Re: hemicop] #1361517 12/30/12 04:44 PM 12/30/12 04:44 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa 1967dartgt master
1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	You need to be able to run under your index to be competitive in all weather. I would slow my car down for 10.0 index, the best motor pass my car has made was 9.55. I like index racing because you get to leave together and race the whole track together. And be prepared for a lot of finish line games. Also throttle stops are not allowed around hear for index racing. Last edited by 1967DartGT; 12/30/12 04:46 PM. Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: Index racing [Re: 1967dartgt] #1361518 12/30/12 05:10 PM 12/30/12 05:10 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 984 San Diego CA 6 65 Hemi OP super stock
65 Hemi OP super stock 6 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 984 San Diego CA	Quote: You need to be able to run under your index to be competitive in all weather. I would slow my car down for 10.0 index, the best motor pass my car has made was 9.55. I like index racing because you get to leave together and race the whole track together. And be prepared for a lot of finish line games. Also throttle stops are not allowed around hear for index racing. No throttle stops here either. My 6.00 car is a 64 dodge round tube from fire wall back with a Bobs pro fab front end, with a 580 B1MC motor that makes 1150 hp. It should make enough steam for 6.00. My 7.00 car is a 65 Dodge with cal tracs, bobs pro fab coil over front end , 446 11:1 with victor heads. Both cars are all steel with OEM glass. Doug MOPAR or NO CAR!!! 1965 Dodge Coronet soon a 6.1 Hemi with a Magnson blower 810 hp on pump gas 1964 Dodge Polara 582" Indy alum Block 426-1RA heads, 1933 Plymouth PE all Steel, LT1 4L60E 1959 Plymouth Savoy 33,000 mile survivor Old cars are never done. They are ongoing projects!

Re: Index racing [Re: 65 Hemi] #1361519 12/30/12 05:33 PM 12/30/12 05:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,193 Park Forest, IL slantzilla Too Many Posts
slantzilla Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,193 Park Forest, IL	You guys do realize index racing is just a bracket race that someone picks your dial for you, right? "Everybody funny, now you funny too."

Re: Index racing [Re: slantzilla] #1361520 12/30/12 06:01 PM 12/30/12 06:01 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 984 San Diego CA 6 65 Hemi OP super stock
65 Hemi OP super stock 6 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 984 San Diego CA	Quote: You guys do realize index racing is just a bracket race that someone picks your dial for you, right? yes but you can't change your dial in or just just click a few #s in your E-box as the conditions change. It a little more fun when the driver needs to change or tuning needs to change with no E.

Re: Index racing [Re: slantzilla] #1361521 12/30/12 06:03 PM 12/30/12 06:03 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,988 new jersey usa 1 11secdart master
11secdart master 1 Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,988 new jersey usa	Same here chased E.T.s for years , now the car is slowed down about a second with a modified Moroso mechanical ( adjustable bolt) stop. Never had a problem dialing the car I can adjust for slower and faster with a 7/16 wrench. I looked at the E.T. Genie and the other one with a dial to adjust the plates but wasn`t sold on them. I have my setup pretty well set after 4 years/ seasons of running this way. My past 4 seasons have been the best in my racing career with more Wins and rounds won than the previous 20 plus.Being one of the fastest cars in the class does have its advantages. BTW I`m running the same car (11secdart) in both classes on the same day. Also no electronics are allowed except transbrake and/or two step. Last edited by 11secdart; 01/01/13 02:29 PM.

Re: Index racing [Re: 11secdart] #1361522 12/30/12 06:40 PM 12/30/12 06:40 PM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,863 MI, usa dvw master
dvw master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,863 MI, usa	I've won more than my share of N/SS races. That meant foot brake and no electronics. The ability to keep accurate data is one element. The ability to use that data to dial the car in a few days of changing weather and track conditions is another. We were usually able to keep the car with-in .01 of the index (10.50). If the track was very poor we'd back of to 11.0. Learn those two things,cut a consistent light,drive the finish line, add some luck and you'll be set. Doug

Re: Index racing [Re: dvw] #1361523 12/30/12 07:25 PM 12/30/12 07:25 PM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,141 Phoenix,Az. H hemicop super stock
hemicop super stock H Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,141 Phoenix,Az.	So the "secret" to index racing is sandbagging! Gee, that's alot of fun! I've raced S/ST, S/G & S/C, and None of it was much fun to say nothing of the cars that wrecked when guys tried to hammer the brakes so as not to break-out. Nope, still haven't shown me where being a given e.t. then being punished (aka losing) for doing just what racing IS, is all that much fun...

Re: Index racing [Re: slantzilla] #1361524 12/30/12 07:27 PM 12/30/12 07:27 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,186 OHIO T THE GLASS MAN super stock
THE GLASS MAN super stock T Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,186 OHIO	Quote: You guys do realize index racing is just a bracket race that someone picks your dial for you, right? Heds up racing is what?

Re: Index racing [Re: THE GLASS MAN] #1361525 12/30/12 07:38 PM 12/30/12 07:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,193 Park Forest, IL slantzilla Too Many Posts
slantzilla Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,193 Park Forest, IL	Quote: Quote: You guys do realize index racing is just a bracket race that someone picks your dial for you, right? Heds up racing is what? No dial in and no breakout. 2 things you have in index racing. I think index racing is a hoot, but it is still bracket racing. "Everybody funny, now you funny too."

Re: Index racing [Re: slantzilla] #1361526 12/30/12 07:56 PM 12/30/12 07:56 PM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,422 Pittsburgh PA Eric top fuel
Eric top fuel Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,422 Pittsburgh PA	I race the easy stuff...S/R S/G....heck all I do is show up and collect cash and a trophy...the car does the rest... 5.53 @ 125 1/8th on the launch control..more left in her!

Re: Index racing [Re: 65 Hemi] #1361527 12/30/12 08:08 PM 12/30/12 08:08 PM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 363 Aubrey, Texas O oldtimer5151 enthusiast
oldtimer5151 enthusiast O Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 363 Aubrey, Texas	Are electronics,throttle stops, etc. allowed in North Star?

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