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Re: fender tag font style [Re: JohnRR] #1360422
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Doesn't really matter, a repop (fake) tag can be spotted easily .




WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT A RE-POP (fake) TAG ?? THIS IS A POST ABOUT THE VARIOUS STYLES OF FONT USED TO MAKE FENDER TAGS .

Re: fender tag font style [Re: ek3] #1360423
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Doesn't really matter, a repop (fake) tag can be spotted easily .




WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT A RE-POP (fake) TAG ?? THIS IS A POST ABOUT THE VARIOUS STYLES OF FONT USED TO MAKE FENDER TAGS .





cut him some slack
he just got your threads mixed up!
it must be
the how accurate is a reverse engineered fender tag
from a window sticker? one

Re: fender tag font style [Re: flypaper] #1360424
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My Super Coupe doesn't even have holes as provision for where there ever would have been a tag. How's that for screwin it up? Never had one!


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Re: fender tag font style [Re: ek3] #1360425
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Doesn't really matter, a repop (fake) tag can be spotted easily .




WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT A RE-POP (fake) TAG ?? THIS IS A POST ABOUT THE VARIOUS STYLES OF FONT USED TO MAKE FENDER TAGS .





When someone is asking about tag fonts then 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% they are looking for info pertaining to having a tag made. You have enough threads posted that it's pretty easy to see where your questions are headed.

The lucky part for you is you what appears to be the original window sticker to back up whatever is on the repop tag , knowing what to put on and not what to put on I am going to assume is your next round of questions .

Re: fender tag font style [Re: JohnRR] #1360426
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Doesn't really matter, a repop (fake) tag can be spotted easily .




WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT A RE-POP (fake) TAG ?? THIS IS A POST ABOUT THE VARIOUS STYLES OF FONT USED TO MAKE FENDER TAGS .





When someone is asking about tag fonts then 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% they are looking for info pertaining to having a tag made. You have enough threads posted that it's pretty easy to see where your questions are headed.

The lucky part for you is you what appears to be the original window sticker to back up whatever is on the repop tag , knowing what to put on and not what to put on I am going to assume is your next round of questions .


then why not just tell them the different fonts ? all knowing and most wise one , why dont you just give me all the answers to all my future post and save yourself from reading what you all ready know ??? you do know which fonts right ? or just read somthing else that you don't all ready know everything about ?.........................................................

Re: fender tag font style [Re: 6bblgt] #1360427
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for comparison - a "big font" LA tag




Back on subject...

I can attest to this as i have now had 2 LA build B bodies with fender tags made with the larger font.

Both cars were early builds from September 1970 if that matters.

I recall a few folks at carlisle last year when I was selling the Super Bee that were insisting that I had a repop tag on the car because of this.

It looks like it doesn't matter what body line it was too for what it matters.

So what happened? Did they have 2 different machines punching tags or something?


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Re: fender tag font style [Re: ek3] #1360428
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Doesn't really matter, a repop (fake) tag can be spotted easily .




WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT A RE-POP (fake) TAG ?? THIS IS A POST ABOUT THE VARIOUS STYLES OF FONT USED TO MAKE FENDER TAGS .





When someone is asking about tag fonts then 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% they are looking for info pertaining to having a tag made. You have enough threads posted that it's pretty easy to see where your questions are headed.

The lucky part for you is you what appears to be the original window sticker to back up whatever is on the repop tag , knowing what to put on and not what to put on I am going to assume is your next round of questions .


then why not just tell them the different fonts ? all knowing and most wise one , why dont you just give me all the answers to all my future post and save yourself from reading what you all ready know ??? you do know which fonts right ? or just read somthing else that you don't all ready know everything about ?.........................................................




I don't have any interest in helping you, or anyone else, make a tag, or help those making FAKE tags do their craft better.

The good part is I'm sure that Barry Washington has seen this thread and will somewhere in his records make note that your car has a repop tag should someones memory fail them in the future...

Re: fender tag font style [Re: JohnRR] #1360429
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Doesn't really matter, a repop (fake) tag can be spotted easily .




WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT A RE-POP (fake) TAG ?? THIS IS A POST ABOUT THE VARIOUS STYLES OF FONT USED TO MAKE FENDER TAGS .





When someone is asking about tag fonts then 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% they are looking for info pertaining to having a tag made. You have enough threads posted that it's pretty easy to see where your questions are headed.

The lucky part for you is you what appears to be the original window sticker to back up whatever is on the repop tag , knowing what to put on and not what to put on I am going to assume is your next round of questions .


then why not just tell them the different fonts ? all knowing and most wise one , why dont you just give me all the answers to all my future post and save yourself from reading what you all ready know ??? you do know which fonts right ? or just read somthing else that you don't all ready know everything about ?.........................................................




I don't have any interest in helping you, or anyone else, make a tag, or help those making FAKE tags do their craft better.

The good part is I'm sure that Barry Washington has seen this thread and will somewhere in his records make note that your car has a repop tag should someones memory fail them in the future...


I talked with barry in 09 and he knew it then ! i actually disclosed that information publicly, long ago and on this very web site...it seems to me that you would be upset with those who stole my car and made a fake fender tag ,not with those trying to correct the known fraud . why shoot the fireman when he comes to put out the fire?

Re: fender tag font style [Re: ek3] #1360430
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Considering the unique circumstances surrounding this car, along with significant other documentation the making of a correct reproduction tag to replace the removed original is not unreasonable.

Done correctly, they will also have fewer options than the tags the car has been wearing for the last 15-20 years or so.

Given the car's relatively high profile and rarity (1 of 129 US-spec 4-speed V-code '71 Challenger R/Ts), it's unlikely anyone would have any success with 'amnesia' during a future sale - even if they chose to attempt it.

As the car has passed through a chain of some of the biggest names in the Mopar hobby, IMHO there is a good chance that the original tags exist somewhere. It would be nice if they found their way to the poster, even if sent anonymously....

Re: fender tag font style [Re: YYZ] #1360431
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JohnRR why do you consider a copy of a fender tag a FAKE?? Some Tags do not have the correct info on them from the factory, does that make those Tags FAKE? As in my example earlier in this thread my friends car is completely FAKE but it has a correct factory fender tag 2 build sheets and dealer invoice so by your standards thats OK?? Not sure I understand why having a tag made is such a big deal. Now again if you are doing something like making a plain jane into a hemi car and trying to sell it as such then I think its wrong. But if you have a lost or stolen tag and you want it back on the fender and you have one made with the CORRECT info I see nothing wrong with that at all. I must be missing something here !!!! Thanks Larry J

Re: fender tag font style [Re: 68gtx] #1360432
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Some Tags do not have the correct info on them from the factory, does that make those Tags FAKE?





By your own admission you're 'new' to mopars so just where did you pull that BS from?
The cars are built to the tag and sheet, not the other way around.

EK3 is an odd example since he has the buildsheet, window sticker AND a picture of THE ORIGINAL tag. So a 'correct' copy may be possible.
ASSuming the font, size and spacing can be duplicated of course.

If you bought a car without a tag, or somehow lost it, tough, suck it up and mark it down as a lesson learned.
Just make sure the next mopar you spend money on has a bit better documentation.

A fake tag, window sticker or sheet is the kiss of death to anyone that knows these cars and only useful when trying to sell a car to someone that DOESN'T know much about them.


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Re: fender tag font style [Re: a12superbee] #1360433
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So are you saying that every tag has the exact info and is perfect on every car and has no info that is wrong or not correct?? We all know that that these tags have wrong info on them or deleted info. We all have seen build sheets with more options listed than the fender tag. I have seen examples all over the internet. Maybe you should read my post again and get your facts straight. I will state the facts for you again. We all know there is FAKE cars out there with good docs.Doesn't make the car any less FAKE to me but hey its got a correct fender tag but the whole car is FAKE. We all know that fender tags right from the factory have wrong info on them. And as far as my car goes I have never and never will try to pass my fender tag off as the original. As I said if you are FAKING a car then shame on you but if you want a tag on the fender that was lost or stolen then I see no problem with having one made. Too much being put on a document{ FENDER TAG} that is not reliable with incorrect information or wrong information or deleted information or left out information and they are also inconsistent from factory to factory. So why give a document that much clout with that many flaws. Please!!! Talk about BS!!!! Larry J OUT!!!

Re: fender tag font style [Re: 68gtx] #1360434
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All Broadcast Sheets have waaaaaaay more info than a fender tag....especially Lynch Road cars. Not sure what point you were trying to make with that.

Re: fender tag font style [Re: 68gtx] #1360435
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So are you saying that every tag has the exact info and is perfect on every car and has no info that is wrong or not correct?? We all know that that these tags have wrong info on them or deleted info. We all have seen build sheets with more options listed than the fender tag. I have seen examples all over the internet. Maybe you should read my post again and get your facts straight. I will state the facts for you again. We all know there is FAKE cars out there with good docs.Doesn't make the car any less FAKE to me but hey its got a correct fender tag but the whole car is FAKE. We all know that fender tags right from the factory have wrong info on them. And as far as my car goes I have never and never will try to pass my fender tag off as the original. As I said if you are FAKING a car then shame on you but if you want a tag on the fender that was lost or stolen then I see no problem with having one made. Too much being put on a document{ FENDER TAG} that is not reliable with incorrect information or wrong information or deleted information or left out information and they are also inconsistent from factory to factory. So why give a document that much clout with that many flaws. Please!!! Talk about BS!!!! Larry J OUT!!!




seems like you have all the inside info ...

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this logic cracks me up

a valid reason doesn't make a fake tag any less fake!

if a stupid missing piece of tin bothers you so much
put a blank one on the car!

that is the most "correct" way

Re: fender tag font style [Re: 68gtx] #1360438
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So are you saying that every tag has the exact info and is perfect on every car and has no info that is wrong or not correct?? We all know that that these tags have wrong info on them or deleted info. We all have seen build sheets with more options listed than the fender tag. I have seen examples all over the internet. Maybe you should read my post again and get your facts straight. I will state the facts for you again. We all know there is FAKE cars out there with good docs.Doesn't make the car any less FAKE to me but hey its got a correct fender tag but the whole car is FAKE. We all know that fender tags right from the factory have wrong info on them. And as far as my car goes I have never and never will try to pass my fender tag off as the original. As I said if you are FAKING a car then shame on you but if you want a tag on the fender that was lost or stolen then I see no problem with having one made. Too much being put on a document{ FENDER TAG} that is not reliable with incorrect information or wrong information or deleted information or left out information and they are also inconsistent from factory to factory. So why give a document that much clout with that many flaws. Please!!! Talk about BS!!!! Larry J OUT!!!




- stop mixing up rare factory original fender tags containing typos/errors with reproduced/fake aftermarket tags.

- Though I have mixed feelings about reproduction tags, there is a difference IMO between "fake" and "reproduction" fender tags. A "fake" tag is one that has been fabricated without the information to determine or prove that the options contained therein are correct. A reproduction tag is one that is made using an original tag, photos or pencil rubbings of an original tag or possibly (depending on plant) an original Broadcast Sheet or other original documentation.

- I feel that any fake OR reproduction document potentially casts a car in a bad light though I can understand the desire to produce an accurate reproduction given the right circumstances.

your contention that a real car with a "fake tag" is better than a fake car with a real tag isn't the issue being discussed here and clouds the issue. The fact that the factory made some mistakes doesn't legitimize the production of fake tags; apples and bananas.


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D Pellitier Finally someone that has a clue. If you read my post closely I say why do you need to call it a FAKE tag. To me that implies that you are up to no good or you are doing something bogus. Now, are there some bad apples out there yes. But most of the time guys are being honest and just want to put a tag on the car. So why not just call it what it is a reproduction tag. In my last post I think I made some valid points about these tags. So you have a tag with incorrect info on it from the factory or deleted or just left out and they are also different from one factory to the next doesn't seem like a very reliable piece of information to me. Just my opinion. Also like I said if you have someone reputable do the tag they make you jump through hoops to have one redone.. Larry J out

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this logic cracks me up

a valid reason doesn't make a fake tag any less fake!

if a stupid missing piece of tin bothers you so much
put a blank one on the car!

that is the most "correct" way




Actually, using your logic one would not be permitted to replace any part of the car that was removed, damaged/rusted etc because. Or if one were to replace that part with one of the correct size and type it would be deemed 'fake'. Alternatively, if one really wanted the part replaced - one must replace it with something that does not appear original.

A bit of a stretch for even the most anal of car hobbyists.

A better approach:
Fake tag: one made with the intent to deceive or lack of approriate care to ensure its accuracy - no disclosure made

Reproduction tag: one made to replace a damaged or missing original, using the best available knowledge to do so (original tag, rubbing, photograph, BCS etc) - full disclosure made

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Reproduction tag: one made to replace a damaged or missing original, using the best available knowledge to do so (original tag, rubbing, photograph, BCS etc) - full disclosure made




The full disclosure part is the problem, someone trying to make one that is undectable , like the guy on ebag selling SEASONED broadcast sheets, does so for one reason and one reason only , to deceive. It's a good thing that a repop (FAKE )tag can be spotted fairly easily by someone that knows what they look like.

I don't follow every thread everyone makes and if the OP had put a link to his story on this car in the original post I may not have gone in the direction that I did , and guided this thread , to begin with. I think it's great that the car was recovered , it's too bad the original tag is gone , he should just have one made and be done with it , he has enough original documentation to back up the REPOP tag.

Isn't it great that the d'bags only in it for the money have destroyed the integrity of every single car that is out there ?

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