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Re: MID 9 SECOND "STREET CAR" N/A.....SB VS. BB????
[Re: moparniac]
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12/10/12 09:33 AM
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A Gen III Hemi is an option, unless you want to stay with the more traditional look of either small or bigblock. With heads that easily flow 340 cfm air and 426 cubes not hard to build, not to mention a stock valve train that will handle some serious rpm, I would think it wouldn't be too tough to do. Top off the stroker with a dual four barrel setup for the nostalgia look, and put a modern overdrive trans behind it and it should be a real blast that will go anywhere and not have to stop every hundred miles for another drink of gas. That is basically my goal with the 65 Dart I am building. A decent driver with some snap, although I need to keep it very streetable for the Mrs so nines are not in the cards. (no cage, wants AC)
If you want all out torque, then in my book go all the way. 605 with B1 heads. If you have to buy the all parts, you might as well. That should put you down in the low nines with pump swill. Maybe even high eights with some light parts on the car and an all aluminum motor. On the street, to go nines a small block will have to turn more rpm, just because of engine size limitations. That gives the edge to the big block in a lot of ways.
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Re: MID 9 SECOND "STREET CAR" N/A.....SB VS. BB????
[Re: EvilB1Dart]
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12/10/12 10:42 AM
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But Wes would have to actually drive his car to be able to tell you the dependability of it!
.....and I don't think I've seen a timeslip posted up.... 
Gets driven a lot, Jay. No need to post what I am or not doing.
 ....yer killin me Wes! I'll give you a shout when we're speedworld bound. Back to the 11's!
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Re: MID 9 SECOND "STREET CAR" N/A.....SB VS. BB????
[Re: J_BODY]
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12/10/12 11:15 AM
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But Wes would have to actually drive his car to be able to tell you the dependability of it!
.....and I don't think I've seen a timeslip posted up....
Gets driven a lot, Jay. No need to post what I am or not doing.
....yer killin me Wes! I'll give you a shout when we're speedworld bound. Back to the 11's!
 You know how I do! Hell yeah, let me know when you're coming down and I'll roll out to Speedworld bro.  Take care......
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Re: MID 9 SECOND "STREET CAR" N/A.....SB VS. BB????
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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12/10/12 11:26 AM
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You can do either buuuut, w/o a power adder it won't be as reliable and a SB would cost more than a BB. I'd do a 500ci boosted wedge.
mr. yuck,
what? i don't agree. how do you figure you can't build a reliable n/a sb or bb on pump gas for the street with the parts available today? its being done all the time. just because people aren't posting on this site doesn't mean mopars aren't out there doing it, because they are. its been proven you don't need a power adder to achieve whats being asked initially by the op. all the advice mikesduster has been given in this thread proves it can be done/has already been done n/a with either combo of choice, but its just gonna cost a little bit to get the needed results. just saying. dj
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Re: MID 9 SECOND "STREET CAR" N/A.....SB VS. BB????
[Re: ksj]
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12/10/12 11:37 AM
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if you want to drive it anywhere then gear/tire size and converter needs to be part of your quest for mid 9s because there is no way I would have been able to deal with my car with anything more than a 3.55 gear during drag week
Ray.splurge for a GV and get rid of the 3.55s. That and a cage update.
I wouldnt run DW without a OD trans... can it be done...
sure but the OD sure helps to lower the rpm during
the drive.... I went with the 518 trans which cost
ALOT less than a GV and its a touch more OD.. then
I went with 4.10 gears
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Re: MID 9 SECOND "STREET CAR" N/A.....SB VS. BB????
[Re: racerbychoice]
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12/10/12 11:46 AM
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You can do either buuuut, w/o a power adder it won't be as reliable and a SB would cost more than a BB. I'd do a 500ci boosted wedge.
mr. yuck,
what? i don't agree. how do you figure you can't build a reliable n/a sb or bb on pump gas for the street with the parts available today? its being done all the time. just because people aren't posting on this site doesn't mean mopars aren't out there doing it, because they are. its been proven you don't need a power adder to achieve whats being asked initially by the op. all the advice mikesduster has been given in this threads proves it can be done n/a with either combo of choice, but its just gonna cost a little bit to get the needed results. just saying. dj
to run mid 9's in a street car.. (I'm guessing not a tube chasis light weght car) you are going to need a ton of motor. You sound like it's easy as cake and cheap to build a 9 second car. It will take almost 700hp to make a 3000lb car run 9.50's. It will need big cubic inches, expensive heads, big solid roller cam (and everything that goes w/ one), 4500+ stall, tall gears, overdrive trans and so on. That equals big money and will be hard on parts. I wouldn't even try it w/ a SB. A Gen III hemi might work but that too would be easier to boost. W/ boost you don't need crazy parts, big cams, expensive valve train, and depending on the set-up you can run a fairly tame convert and gear. So I guess it depends on what you mean by driver. A boosted car will drive much better and have a longer/stronger power band. I guess it's just where you want to spend the cash. Neither will be cheap. If I had the cash It'd be boosted. (and my next build will) Just check out these new S/C'd 5.0L Mustangs. They run 10's in full street trim and get 25+mpg. Boost is the way to go.
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Re: MID 9 SECOND "STREET CAR" N/A.....SB VS. BB????
[Re: moparniac]
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12/10/12 01:00 PM
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my N/A BB runs decent for being raced on local 93 (3400lbs)
LMAO..!....nice 10.90 mph Sledgie...
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Re: MID 9 SECOND "STREET CAR" N/A.....SB VS. BB????
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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12/10/12 01:21 PM
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if you want to drive it anywhere then gear/tire size and converter needs to be part of your quest for mid 9s because there is no way I would have been able to deal with my car with anything more than a 3.55 gear during drag week
Ray.splurge for a GV and get rid of the 3.55s. That and a cage update.
I wouldnt run DW without a OD trans... can it be done...
sure but the OD sure helps to lower the rpm during
the drive.... I went with the 518 trans which cost
ALOT less than a GV and its a touch more OD.. then
I went with 4.10 gears
with the 3.55s, my car was running around 77mph at 3300rpms. under 3000 rpm the car didn't "feel" as good. I figured this was because that is where the multi spark stopped. I have always wondered if the multi spark was really worth it. with my timming turned way down, the A/F was on the rich side during Drag Week which I tried to lean the carbs out but when I put the timing back to where it would belong the A/F would be right on
moral of the story is I don't have high dollar anything in my car, with the timing turned way down, I still managed a 9.90 at 139 and my hood blew up and broke on that pass so I'm not sure it was a full pass.
If you look at the number of small blocks running mid 9s during Drag Week you will realize the number of cars was zero and their combos didn't look to economical to me
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Re: MID 9 SECOND "STREET CAR" N/A.....SB VS. BB????
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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12/10/12 02:32 PM
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to run mid 9's in a street car.. (I'm guessing not a tube chasis light weght car) you are going to need a ton of motor. You sound like it's easy as cake and cheap to build a 9 second car. It will take almost 700hp to make a 3000lb car run 9.50's. It will need big cubic inches, expensive heads, big solid roller cam (and everything that goes w/ one), 4500+ stall, tall gears, overdrive trans and so on. That equals big money and will be hard on parts. So I guess it depends on what you mean by driver. A boosted car will drive much better and have a longer/stronger power band. I guess it's just where you want to spend the cash. Neither will be cheap.
I agree. To run NA well into the 9s (not just good air, down hill, with a tail wind 9s) it is both challenging and expensive - otherwise everyone would be doing it. And what I mean by that is everyone with a timeslip - not a guy sitting in a parking lot at a cruise night saying he runs 9s.
To run 9s NA you are going to need hp, efficient converter, and compression - none of those like the street as they all build heat. Additionally, the only way to know if you are running 9s is to take it to a track, which means you have to pass tech for sub 9.99 - which means cage, license, and all of the other safety equipment that goes along with it.
My experience - street parts don't like the track, and track parts don't like the street. If you are trying to do both - then all you have is a series of compromises across the board.
Sixpackgut has done it with his Cuda, but I think Ray'd agree it wasn't cheap or easy - and has been a long time coming.
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Re: MID 9 SECOND "STREET CAR" N/A.....SB VS. BB????
[Re: sixpackgut]
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12/10/12 02:54 PM
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with the 3.55s, my car was running around 77mph at 3300rpms. under 3000 rpm the car didn't "feel" as good. I figured this was because that is where the multi spark stopped. I have always wondered if the multi spark was really worth it. with my timming turned way down, the A/F was on the rich side during Drag Week which I tried to lean the carbs out but when I put the timing back to where it would belong the A/F would be right on moral of the story is I don't have high dollar anything in my car, with the timing turned way down, I still managed a 9.90 at 139 and my hood blew up and broke on that pass so I'm not sure it was a full pass. If you look at the number of small blocks running mid 9s during Drag Week you will realize the number of cars was zero and their combos didn't look to economical to me
When running with my buddy in his 52 PU we seen the
same thing... when running at about 80 the engine
ran smoother and got better mileage BUT what we figured
is that its getting more into the torque curve and
the response on the pedal was better due to the torque
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Re: MID 9 SECOND "STREET CAR" N/A.....SB VS. BB????
[Re: one bad fish]
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12/10/12 03:59 PM
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well its is simple it also depends on your engine builder not every one knows what there doing plain and simple put 4 the same price i could get a small block to run mid 9's on pump gas
one bad fish
what does your car run now?? what size is the motor???
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ANY motor type big or small can go fast BUT no one mentioned a sorted out chassis which in my opinion is equally as important as power.... 
