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BIG-BLOCK ROCKERS............................... #1348227
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I`m currently running HS`s 1.5 rockers and was thinking about using the Hughes bushed models but maybe in a 1.6 ratio. Don`t have flow numbers from heads but do have p/v clearance for the 1.6`s................ Wadda ya think.............


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Re: BIG-BLOCK ROCKERS............................... [Re: Thumperdart] #1348228
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Let me throw out what I know for what it's worth...
1. Hughes' rockers aren't bushed; they ride on an aluminum bore in the rocker body.

2. I think more than one person has measured Harland Sharp installed rocker ratios and found them higher than advertised (e.g. 1.5 advertised actually measuring 1.55).

3. You'll need to factor in needing different length pushrods when switching brands.

4. From what I remember of your cam (something like 275/280 @. .050", .650"+ lift), and knowing "typical" flow curves for ported E-RPM heads, I think you have enough cam already that a small change in ratio isn't going to make much -- if any -- difference.

Long story short, save your $$$ on this.

Re: BIG-BLOCK ROCKERS............................... [Re: BradH] #1348229
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Thankxxx............Mine measured around what you said at 1.54-1.55 and heard about the Hughes having better geometry and no rollers on the shafts which caught my attention. Plus, mine are about 8 years old and just figured it was time to get some fresh ones to help avoid failure...........


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Re: BIG-BLOCK ROCKERS............................... [Re: Thumperdart] #1348230
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Mancini has an exclusive deal with HS to produce their rockers with bushings instead of rollers and you can only find them in the flier.
Here is the number http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/manciniracing21.html
They are a few hundred cheaper
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Re: BIG-BLOCK ROCKERS............................... [Re: fourgearsavoy] #1348231
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Mancini has an exclusive deal with HS to produce their rockers with bushings instead of rollers and you can only find them in the flier.
Here is the number http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/manciniracing21.html
They are a few hundred cheaper
Gus




That's what I'd buy...no rollers and HS quality.

Re: BIG-BLOCK ROCKERS............................... [Re: fourgearsavoy] #1348232
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These are Hughes 1.6 rockers I use. Have been holding up great. Ron


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Mancini has an exclusive deal with HS to produce their rockers with bushings instead of rollers and you can only find them in the flier.
Here is the number http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/manciniracing21.html
They are a few hundred cheaper
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That seems like a good option too but my concern was also about the geometry being better w/the Hughes rockers which mine are ok but could be better............. Thankxxx


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Re: BIG-BLOCK ROCKERS............................... [Re: Thumperdart] #1348234
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If you're worried about them being 8 yrs old I would send them to Harland to have them checked or rebuilt, and get a price on some 1.6 rockers for the intake only. I always run HS rockers, very reliable and perfect fit right out of the box.


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My main concern was the aluminum`s life cycle more that the rollers but good point..............


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Re: BIG-BLOCK ROCKERS............................... [Re: Thumperdart] #1348236
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"Better geometry" ?!?! On which head ? The simple fact is that a lifter with perfect geometry on one brand of head could have crappy geometry on another since any change in valve angle, pedestal height, etc. will affect the geometry. So if Hughes "claim" better geometry, it should be for the brand of head your using.

If you go with Hughes, check them carefully - a friend of mine bought a set and not all were drilled to squirt the springs. They replaced them but the guy was still on the hook for return shipping!

As for the change in ratio, why not go to 1.6 if you have the opportunity ?!?!? On a .600 lift cam you'd be adding another .040.. That should be worth something !

As for the pushrods, I'll bet you don't need to change those at all. You may have to do some grinding on the heads for clearance tho'

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Someone on here stated the geometry was better on the rpm heads which I have so that`s my reasoning there but the clearancing thing now that`s another story..............


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Someone on here stated the geometry was better on the rpm heads which I have so that`s my reasoning there but the clearancing thing now that`s another story..............


When I put the Harland Sharp 1.60(checked at the retainers to be 1.65 actual ratio ) rockers on my CNC ported Eddy RPM I had to do some grinding on the # 6 intake port wall to get some clearnace on that pushrod only I ground right through it Check the pushrod to heads closely if you buy them, Dom I don't have as many cycles on mine as you do but I have seen 8400 RPM on the playback tach several different times do to parts breakgae and my stupidity in the water box once Harland Sharp is very good about taking care of thier rockers, call them and ask them to inspect and repair yours as needed, see what costs they quote you


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I`m soon to be throwing some $$$ at my dart and wanted to spend "wisely" not just focus on power so maybe I`ll call HS and see what they say. The shafts have some small scratches and pits so maybe I can polish those out or send em the whole deal. I`ll pass on the 1.6`s for now cos It`s close now and when I re-ported my heads, I straightned up the joining walls and thinned the p-rod pinch so it`s thin there and can`t risk cutting through.............

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True, dat.

There's no way to know where the geo is until you assemble the parts, including the cam.

BTW: the closer the cam is to being really close to what the engine wants, the worse the result of higher ratios will be.
Best use? When you already suspect the cam is too small, or the LSA is too wide, or both.

Thanks to everyone for not posting "use lash caps".


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sorry for the newb question (and hijacking the thread) but what advantages do you get going to the aluminum rockers other than weight? and are the Mancini ones just rebranded HS?

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"I`ll call HS and see what they say. "


and there is your answer my friend...

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sorry for the newb question (and hijacking the thread) but what advantages do you get going to the aluminum rockers other than weight? and are the Mancini ones just rebranded HS?



First off the rockers Mancini sells are the HS rockers only with Bushings instead of rollers,but they also sell the roller version as well.The roller tip is used to relive the load in the valve and the guide(correct if I'm wrong here guys)with excessive lift.
The lower weight of the aluminum is also a plus,although I prefer steel with bushings for my street/strip engine but I am at only 588 lift so I can still get away without the roller tip
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Check with Todd @ Comp Wedge Racing. He carries a HS rocker designed specific for the RPM head that has improved geometry and sweep across the valve tip.


Ron

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I looked at those rockers in the Mancini flyer..Too bad they don't have them for a Victor head..


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Check with Todd @ Comp Wedge Racing. He carries a HS rocker designed specific for the RPM head that has improved geometry and sweep across the valve tip.


Ron


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