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How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? #1345724 12/04/12 10:26 AM 12/04/12 10:26 AM
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MOPARMIKE69 OP master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,634 Nashville, TN	Just for correct research on how the factory originally painted the wide hood stripes. Not the type of paint but when they actually did it. I had a discusion with a good friend who says he remembers seeing a tech article that says they painted the stripe first then mask it off and painted the body color. I said from looking at original cars it looked like the stripe was painted on after body color. But I didn't know for sure. Anyone have any documentation that shows what they did at the factory????? Here's a pic of an original 69 hemi runner, 4sp, 4:10 car. 7488542-Fontenelle#2.JPG (371 downloads) 69 Road Runner vert 69 GTX hard top 70 Road Runner 4 speed 70 Hemi Cuda vert

Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #1345725 12/04/12 12:07 PM 12/04/12 12:07 PM
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A12 Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,511 N.E. OHIO, USA	Could you tell if there is hood stripe paint in between the fender and the hood gap or how the paint line is in those areas. Seems to me I have some photos of the F8 green Hemi road runner survivor in those areas and there is F8 paint under the hood stripe. How would they have done the cowl area if they did the stripe first? Just asking. Interesting question

Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: A12] #1345726 12/04/12 01:15 PM 12/04/12 01:15 PM
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wesgtx440 enthusiast Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 290 Dayton, WA	I have been told by several people that the stripes were indeed painted before the body color. 68 Charger R/T 440 auto

Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: wesgtx440] #1345727 12/04/12 01:36 PM 12/04/12 01:36 PM
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DPelletier I Live Here D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada	Quote: I have been told by several people that the stripes were indeed painted before the body color. Yep, me too. Dave 1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 1974 'Cuda 2008 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Ram 3500 Diesel 2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel 2003 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Durango Limited [url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]

Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: DPelletier] #1345728 12/04/12 01:42 PM 12/04/12 01:42 PM
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1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Quote: Quote: I have been told by several people that the stripes were indeed painted before the body color. Yep, me too. Dave That's true of Challenger butt stripes but not the Roadrunner hood treatment... I just sold my original paint 69 Roadrunner, the paint was dead & you could clearly see the R4 through the hood stripes.. "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: A12] #1345729 12/04/12 01:59 PM 12/04/12 01:59 PM
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MOPARMIKE69 OP master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,634 Nashville, TN	Quote: Could you tell if there is hood stripe paint in between the fender and the hood gap or how the paint line is in those areas. Seems to me I have some photos of the F8 green Hemi road runner survivor in those areas and there is F8 paint under the hood stripe. How would they have done the cowl area if they did the stripe first? Just asking. Interesting question Yes there is black over spray in the gaps, that is also leading me to think they were painted after color. 69 Road Runner vert 69 GTX hard top 70 Road Runner 4 speed 70 Hemi Cuda vert

Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1345730 12/04/12 02:19 PM 12/04/12 02:19 PM
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DPelletier I Live Here D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada	Quote: Quote: Quote: I have been told by several people that the stripes were indeed painted before the body color. Yep, me too. Dave That's true of Challenger butt stripes but not the Roadrunner hood treatment... I just sold my original paint 69 Roadrunner, the paint was dead & you could clearly see the R4 through the hood stripes.. I believe you as it relates to your '69RR but I read a thread lately that espoused the opinion that the blackout was applied first, but I don't remember the model in question nor can I find the thread. maybe it was '71 and up or... Dave 1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 1974 'Cuda 2008 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Ram 3500 Diesel 2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel 2003 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Durango Limited [url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]

Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: DPelletier] #1345731 12/04/12 09:21 PM 12/04/12 09:21 PM
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wesgtx440 enthusiast Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 290 Dayton, WA	Found a tech. article in Mopar Action magazine, Oct. 2012 issue, pg.16 that talks about the hood blackout treatment on a 69 RR. Reasons stated: The basic paint was acrylic enamel, and uncured enamel can be softened by lacquer, which the Organisol paint was. Hood and fenders were masked and sprayed with the black lacquer. Then the black was masked off and the body color applied. End of the article reads, OE resto will always be "black first" 68 Charger R/T 440 auto

Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: wesgtx440] #1345732 12/04/12 10:31 PM 12/04/12 10:31 PM
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RUNCHARGER I Live Here R Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,976 Chilliwack B.C. Canada	That's why I believe that could be true, but I don't have a survivor handy to check out. The lower paint treatment on a 69 X or a Coronet 500 would have to have been done that way as well if this is the way it was. They must have used lacquer primer as well.... Sheldon

Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: wesgtx440] #1345733 12/04/12 10:48 PM 12/04/12 10:48 PM
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A12 Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,511 N.E. OHIO, USA	Quote: Found a tech. article in Mopar Action magazine, Oct. 2012 issue, pg.16 that talks about the hood blackout treatment on a 69 RR. Reasons stated: The basic paint was acrylic enamel, and uncured enamel can be softened by lacquer, which the Organisol paint was. Hood and fenders were masked and sprayed with the black lacquer. Then the black was masked off and the body color applied. End of the article reads, OE resto will always be "black first" How long to cure and why doesn't this bulletin warn about repainting too soon? I'm sure the "L" in "DDL" means lacquer but they only say to reduce with Acrylic Thinner? (no mention of lacquer?) What's been said makes sense but the bulletin makes no mention or warning about un-cured Acrylic Enamel and painting too soon with Organosol

Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: A12] #1345734 12/04/12 11:17 PM 12/04/12 11:17 PM
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1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Organisol is absolutely Lacquer & while the potential for enamel to react/lift do to spraying lacquer does exist back in the day of lacquer being the norm any painter worth being called a painter knew how to spray lacquer over enamel with no problems... "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1345735 12/05/12 01:19 AM 12/05/12 01:19 AM
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demon super stock D Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,179 Canada	The 69 Road Runner hood stripes were definitely painted on AFTER the body color. I owned an original paint 69 that I bought from the original owner.it was coded for and still had it's original hood stripes. There was overspray under the hood on the cowl top and inner fenders because they did not mask underneath at all. The factory just masked off the outer and sprayed it. I still have the rt front fender from that car which clearly shows it. Now on the 71 Duster with that total blackout on the hood, cowl and door top edge ( the cars with the huge 340 Wedge decal )it WAS painted on before the body color. The 69 Road Runner bodies were baked after painting, then the stripes were done,so there was no risk of the lacquer attacking the paint

Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: RUNCHARGER] #1345736 12/05/12 01:25 AM 12/05/12 01:25 AM
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demon super stock D Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,179 Canada	Quote: That's why I believe that could be true, but I don't have a survivor handy to check out. The lower paint treatment on a 69 X or a Coronet 500 would have to have been done that way as well if this is the way it was. They must have used lacquer primer as well.... Sheldon Chrysler did not use laqcuer primer. They used epoxy primer only at that time. Most Chrysler factories sprayed the bare body (after the chemical dip, latex primer dip process) with red oxide epoxy, then green-grey epoxy. This was then baked and then wet sanded before spraying it with Enamel and again baking it.

Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: demon] #1345737 12/05/12 01:29 AM 12/05/12 01:29 AM
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1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Quote: The 69 Road Runner hood stripes were definitely painted on AFTER the body color. I owned an original paint 69 that I bought from the original owner.it was coded for and still had it's original hood stripes. There was overspray under the hood on the cowl top and inner fenders because they did not mask underneath at all. The factory just masked off the outer and sprayed it. I still have the rt front fender from that car which clearly shows it. Now on the 71 Duster with that total blackout on the hood, cowl and door top edge ( the cars with the huge 340 Wedge decal )it WAS painted on before the body color. The 69 Road Runner bodies were baked after painting, then the stripes were done,so there was no risk of the lacquer attacking the paint Exactly how my original paint car was done.. "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: wesgtx440] #1345738 12/05/12 01:30 AM 12/05/12 01:30 AM
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demon super stock D Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,179 Canada	Quote: Found a tech. article in Mopar Action magazine, Oct. 2012 issue, pg.16 that talks about the hood blackout treatment on a 69 RR. Reasons stated: The basic paint was acrylic enamel, and uncured enamel can be softened by lacquer, which the Organisol paint was. Hood and fenders were masked and sprayed with the black lacquer. Then the black was masked off and the body color applied. End of the article reads, OE resto will always be "black first" that is completely wrong for the 69 Road Runner hood blackout. There is a lot of misinformation in magazines. While Mopar action is the best for tech, their body related articles are usually amatuer and crude at best. They even suggested using silicone as a body sealer in one article! Haha!

Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: demon] #1345739 12/05/12 02:04 AM 12/05/12 02:04 AM
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DPelletier I Live Here D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada	correct or not, at least I'm not going crazy! Dave 1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 1974 'Cuda 2008 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Ram 3500 Diesel 2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel 2003 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Durango Limited [url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]

Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #1345740 12/05/12 03:52 AM 12/05/12 03:52 AM
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A12 Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,511 N.E. OHIO, USA	Quote: Quote: Could you tell if there is hood stripe paint in between the fender and the hood gap or how the paint line is in those areas. Seems to me I have some photos of the F8 green Hemi road runner survivor in those areas and there is F8 paint under the hood stripe. How would they have done the cowl area if they did the stripe first? Just asking. Interesting question Yes there is black over spray in the gaps, that is also leading me to think they were painted after color. The Hemi road runner underhood taken back in 2004 with hood stripe overspray what seems to be the whole lenght of the inner fender 7489848-RRpartsgargsale100204ChryClasNorwk04Sept19Oct11RR054.jpg (177 downloads)

Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: A12] #1345741 12/05/12 10:27 AM 12/05/12 10:27 AM
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MOPARMIKE69 OP master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,634 Nashville, TN	Ok I received an e-mail back from my friend. Here is what he said. "I spoke with David Patik of Performance Car Graphics (his site had the images & measurements of the Hood Blackout for 69 RR/GTX). I remembered that he had told me about the Blackout Organosol lacquer painting sequence. I called him today about the price of the Front Air Spoiler for the Super Bird. While on the phone I asked about the Hood Blackout and he said that it was painted first on all cars that had Organosol Lacquer, then the Enamel body paint was applied as (according to him) the lacquer wouldn't stick to enamel. He referred me to the "Lynch Road Article - Order of Assembly", which outlines this." Somewhere I have this factory bulletin. I will post it when I find it. So if anyone else has it please post. My main question with this theory is why are there not masking lines in side the hood area, that for sure has overspray on original cars????? The only explanation I can think of would be you would have to paint the engine compartment, then paint the stripes, let them dry, close the hood, mask the stripes off, and paint the outside of the car? I would just like to know for sure which it was, not for argument sake, but just for knowledge. Where's Paul Jacobs when you need him!!!!!! 69 Road Runner vert 69 GTX hard top 70 Road Runner 4 speed 70 Hemi Cuda vert

Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #1345742 12/05/12 12:21 PM 12/05/12 12:21 PM
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sixpackbee master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,060 Western New York	Just an FYI. I had an original paint B7 70 Road Runner in the shop not too long ago and without a doubt those stripes were put on after the body was sprayed. 1959 Bugeye Sprite 1967 Charger Black L code 1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner 1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM 1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96 1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car 1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85 1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96 1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13 1971 MG Midget 1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57 1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21

Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes? [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #1345743 12/05/12 12:51 PM 12/05/12 12:51 PM
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MOPARMIKE69 OP master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,634 Nashville, TN	I found my paper work actually compiled by David. However it is all about the building of the Superbird at Lynch Road. It doesn't say anything about hood stripes. So there must be another bulletin about just the regular assembly. I do not have it if there is another one. I will keep searching for this bulletin. Since several of you have original cars that show body color under the faded stripes, examples of overspray, and edges showing the stripes painted after color, to be sure I need to read the factory document. BUT..... I am still thinking they were painted after color.. it makes too much sense, plus the cars I have seen. 69 Road Runner vert 69 GTX hard top 70 Road Runner 4 speed 70 Hemi Cuda vert

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