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How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes?
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Just for correct research on how the factory originally painted the wide hood stripes. Not the type of paint but when they actually did it. I had a discusion with a good friend who says he remembers seeing a tech article that says they painted the stripe first then mask it off and painted the body color. I said from looking at original cars it looked like the stripe was painted on after body color. But I didn't know for sure. Anyone have any documentation that shows what they did at the factory?????  Here's a pic of an original 69 hemi runner, 4sp, 4:10 car.
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Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes?
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I have been told by several people that the stripes were indeed painted before the body color.
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Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes?
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I have been told by several people that the stripes were indeed painted before the body color.
Yep, me too.
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Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes?
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Found a tech. article in Mopar Action magazine, Oct. 2012 issue, pg.16 that talks about the hood blackout treatment on a 69 RR. Reasons stated: The basic paint was acrylic enamel, and uncured enamel can be softened by lacquer, which the Organisol paint was. Hood and fenders were masked and sprayed with the black lacquer. Then the black was masked off and the body color applied. End of the article reads, OE resto will always be "black first"
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Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes?
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Found a tech. article in Mopar Action magazine, Oct. 2012 issue, pg.16 that talks about the hood blackout treatment on a 69 RR. Reasons stated: The basic paint was acrylic enamel, and uncured enamel can be softened by lacquer, which the Organisol paint was. Hood and fenders were masked and sprayed with the black lacquer. Then the black was masked off and the body color applied. End of the article reads, OE resto will always be "black first"
How long to cure and why doesn't this bulletin warn about repainting too soon? I'm sure the "L" in "DDL" means lacquer but they only say to reduce with Acrylic Thinner? (no mention of lacquer?)
What's been said makes sense but the bulletin makes no mention or warning about un-cured Acrylic Enamel and painting too soon with Organosol
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Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes?
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That's why I believe that could be true, but I don't have a survivor handy to check out. The lower paint treatment on a 69 X or a Coronet 500 would have to have been done that way as well if this is the way it was. They must have used lacquer primer as well....
Sheldon
Chrysler did not use laqcuer primer. They used epoxy primer only at that time. Most Chrysler factories sprayed the bare body (after the chemical dip, latex primer dip process) with red oxide epoxy, then green-grey epoxy. This was then baked and then wet sanded before spraying it with Enamel and again baking it.
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Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes?
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Found a tech. article in Mopar Action magazine, Oct. 2012 issue, pg.16 that talks about the hood blackout treatment on a 69 RR. Reasons stated: The basic paint was acrylic enamel, and uncured enamel can be softened by lacquer, which the Organisol paint was. Hood and fenders were masked and sprayed with the black lacquer. Then the black was masked off and the body color applied. End of the article reads, OE resto will always be "black first"
that is completely wrong for the 69 Road Runner hood blackout. There is a lot of misinformation in magazines. While Mopar action is the best for tech, their body related articles are usually amatuer and crude at best. They even suggested using silicone as a body sealer in one article! Haha!
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Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes?
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correct or not, at least I'm not going crazy!   Dave
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Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes?
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Could you tell if there is hood stripe paint in between the fender and the hood gap or how the paint line is in those areas. Seems to me I have some photos of the F8 green Hemi road runner survivor in those areas and there is F8 paint under the hood stripe. How would they have done the cowl area if they did the stripe first? Just asking.
Interesting question 
Yes there is black over spray in the gaps, that is also leading me to think they were painted after color.
The Hemi road runner underhood taken back in 2004 with hood stripe overspray what seems to be the whole lenght of the inner fender
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Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes?
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Ok I received an e-mail back from my friend. Here is what he said. "I spoke with David Patik of Performance Car Graphics (his site had the images & measurements of the Hood Blackout for 69 RR/GTX). I remembered that he had told me about the Blackout Organosol lacquer painting sequence. I called him today about the price of the Front Air Spoiler for the Super Bird. While on the phone I asked about the Hood Blackout and he said that it was painted first on all cars that had Organosol Lacquer, then the Enamel body paint was applied as (according to him) the lacquer wouldn't stick to enamel. He referred me to the "Lynch Road Article - Order of Assembly", which outlines this." Somewhere I have this factory bulletin. I will post it when I find it. So if anyone else has it please post. My main question with this theory is why are there not masking lines in side the hood area, that for sure has overspray on original cars????? The only explanation I can think of would be you would have to paint the engine compartment, then paint the stripes, let them dry, close the hood, mask the stripes off, and paint the outside of the car?  I would just like to know for sure which it was, not for argument sake, but just for knowledge. Where's Paul Jacobs when you need him!!!!!!
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Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes?
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Just an FYI. I had an original paint B7 70 Road Runner in the shop not too long ago and without a doubt those stripes were put on after the body was sprayed.
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Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes?
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I found my paper work actually compiled by David. However it is all about the building of the Superbird at Lynch Road. It doesn't say anything about hood stripes. So there must be another bulletin about just the regular assembly. I do not have it if there is another one. I will keep searching for this bulletin. Since several of you have original cars that show body color under the faded stripes, examples of overspray, and edges showing the stripes painted after color, to be sure I need to read the factory document. BUT..... I am still thinking they were painted after color.. it makes too much sense, plus the cars I have seen.
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Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes?
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Original Lynch Road 1969 RR. Check out the overspray
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Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes?
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The general rule of thumb with stripes or 2-tones is that they'd spray them first as they were the smallest area to mask, thereby using the least amount of time & materials. Apparently in this case they had another reason.
Rick I would think on a '69 rr/GTX the body color painted part of the center of the hood and the a fender tops would require less masking then the hood stripe area. All that would be needed (no expert) would be center masking and fender masking of the body paint at the outer stipe edge and drapped over the fender. Windshield would be the same no matter which way it was done.
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Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes?
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The general rule of thumb with stripes or 2-tones is that they'd spray them first as they were the smallest area to mask, thereby using the least amount of time & materials. Apparently in this case they had another reason.
Rick I would think on a '69 rr/GTX the body color painted part of the center of the hood and the a fender tops would require less masking then the hood stripe area. All that would be needed (no expert) would be center masking and fender masking of the body paint at the outer stipe edge and drapped over the fender. Windshield would be the same no matter which way it was done.
I guess it depends if they'd have the need to cover the rest of the car... maybe not in a industrial ventilation setting.
I've been sick all week, so my reasoning skills seem to be a bit off.. lol
As for the other post about painting over organisol... they did exactly that on AAR Cuda's and the edges of the areas such as 69 GTX lower sides.
I agree that the OEM texture of it wasn't nearly as aggressive as many believe. The aftermarket paints were typically too coarse or applied in too many coats building excessive texture.
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Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes?
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Nobody has mentioned the obvious yet, which is: with the rough texture of the organosol, it would be nearly impossible to spray a body color over and look right without MAJOR sanding. Being careful at the same time not to sand into the stripe that stays black.
without trying to start another great debate over Organosol, I have owned, or do currently own several cars with factory original Organosol paint, and it was not rough like so many restored cars have it. Basically it was metallic flat black. The paints now have a suede additive that makes it gritty. It was not like that back in 69.
Now dashboards and columns on the other hand were gritty, to make it soft appearing for the interior,except some A bodies that just had flat paint on the dash for some unknown reason.
 we have the correct additive for organosol and it is not gritty at all.
looking at the pics of the original paint cars there was blowthrough in the underhood jam areas-the method would have been quicker than the stripe first approach because the masking of the stripe and having to open the hood to paint engine bay area would have been more time consuming.
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Re: How the factory painted 69 runner hood stripes?
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Well I went ahead and painted the stipes on a 69 runner I have been painting for a customer. I painted them after I painted the car. The results were amazing especially the over spray pattern created inside the engine compartment.
Until I find a factory bulletin or an example of an original car with stripes painted first I gotta say they were painted last.
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