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PROCHARGER VS. TURBO #1340078
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Whats the real difference????

If you had to pick,which one would you do and why???

Does one make more HP than the other??

Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #1340079
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To me there are pros and cons of both. I chose turbo because it was cheaper and easier for me. My budget is very small and I was able to afford the turbo. Superchargers are expensive but packaging is easier and there is less fab work. I don't really like superchargers because of the belts. You have to worry about slippage at higher boost levels then you've got a part to buy that will have to be replaced regularly. The gentle boost application of a turbo also has alot less wear and tear on the motor in my opinion. I have made my stcok 318 live with up to 18lbs and 30 deg. of timing on avgas, and the only failure has been a stock 35yr old head gasket (and a cracked piston, but it still is living with that). I am biased because of my budget on this topic, all my turbo parts came from ebay so I can't say how much good stuff costs because I know I can't afford it

Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: SLOW67] #1340080
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Hp levels are similiar assuming comparable equipment, but the turbo has a definite advantage in being able to control boost levels down track which is great for the small tire cars. There is a considerable amount of fabrication in a turbo setup which can be intimidating for sure. Another plus for the turbo is you can buy one piece of the puzzle at a time as budget permits instead of the one big hit for the blower. After reading what i just wrote i have to wonder why we sold the turbo setup in the sig to build a procharged setup lol

Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: nitrousr] #1340081
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hmmmm, i have small tires and a blower and the same belt for 3 years and the same head gaskets and ...........

Once again choose which one you like and feel will fit what your looking to do.

For me its a procharger as i am do daym impatient to wait for a turbo to make boost. I love staging at idle and most of all i love being able to race my car without needing electronic gizmos' to get me down track. Simple is better


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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #1340082
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Quote:

Whats the real difference????

If you had to pick,which one would you do and why???

Does one make more HP than the other??


If your racing 1/8 mile use a crank driven EFI Procharger intercooled set up, if 1/4 the intercooled turbo, on a large budget, may be better the last three hundred feet


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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: Cab_Burge] #1340083
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Supercharger if you want to impress your friends at a stop light. Turbo if you want to impress the people on the next block. LOL


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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: 1967dartgt] #1340084
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Supercharger if you want to impress your friends at a stop light. Turbo if you want to impress the people on the next block. LOL




and i still wait for a turbo street car to drive by me


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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: bigtimeauto] #1340085
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Supercharger if you want to impress your friends at a stop light. Turbo if you want to impress the people on the next block. LOL




and i still wait for a turbo street car to drive by me




oh wait, or a turbo mopar TT5


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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: bigtimeauto] #1340086
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You still have 440-1 on that killer?


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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: 1967dartgt] #1340087
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You still have 440-1 on that killer?




blow thru , 440-1 out of the box and 22lbs of boost , no intercooler


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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: bigtimeauto] #1340088
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pretty simple if you ask me:



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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: bigtimeauto] #1340089
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You still have 440-1 on that killer?




blow thru , 440-1 out of the box and 22lbs of boost , no intercooler




then you post a pic of your setup with "out of the box" cnc 345's

on your pro charger though will it clear the inner fender if you still had them in?


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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: moparniac] #1340090
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Great question Mike!
The technology race between these two is hard to keep up with, and I'm sure the answer probably reflects those advancements, and the individual application, as well as the persons previous experiences.
I'm just an old nitrous, carb dinasour, so all this stuff is beyond me, but having just attended both Drag Week, and the Street Car Super Nationals, it appears to me that the Turbo Cars have the upper hand. All the rides perpetuating that feeling however, are top flight, no expense spared, best tuners in the biz, so I'm not sure that's the case for the common man!

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Sikora's BAE equipped Stang: The piping appears to be a bit larger than Bigtime Auto's

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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: bigtimeauto] #1340091
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hmmmm, i have small tires and a blower and the same belt for 3 years and the same head gaskets and ...........






I was speaking from my 30k a year salary, Most of us don't have the cash for a 3-4k s/c head unit or 15k engine to handle it or the 4k trans or.....

Sure if I had that kind of cash I'd have a big crank driven F1X on a 540 Indy headed motor, but in reality most of us have to settle for much less. If you have a chopsaw and can weld you already have half of what you need for a turbo setup. You can start with cheap parts to get you going then upgrade to better stuff down the road, Just build your hotside with upgrades in mind. A cheapo T6 flanged turbo fits in the same spot a nice Precision 88 fits. Same for the wastegate,BOV,and intercooler. I've got $1200 total including my new fuel system in my setup. If I ever get the cash for bigger/better parts, they will bolt right on where my old stuff was. As far as lag or waiting on boost, If you do your homework when you build it you won't have that problem

Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #1340092
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Turbos have less of a "drag" on the engine so they can create more power I guess. However unless you can do all the fab work (welding pipe) you aren't saving much over a S/C. If you do go S/C buy a SBF or SBC kit and tweak the brackets. I had a Chevy Paxton kit on my old 440. I cut the main bracket, welded to extentions and had the crank pulley drilled for BB mopar. I had maybe $2200 in the entire set-up including carb prep/ fuel system and gauges.


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Quote:

Whats the real difference????

If you had to pick,which one would you do and why???

Does one make more HP than the other??


If you are bracket racing and want consistancy, ProCharger. Their kits ( and blowers) have come a long ways in the last few years re; ease of installation / maintenance.

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Re: PROCHARGER VS. TURBO [Re: Crizila] #1340095
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side ote, do yourself a big fat favor, instead of cobbling togther a braded fuel system w/ blue/purple and or red fittings go to any hydrolics shope and have them make it all for you. It will look 100% better and you will save $$$. Crizilla how much is that set-up?

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blowers take 10% of your power to turn them . turbocharger uses none


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side ote, do yourself a big fat favor, instead of cobbling togther a braded fuel system w/ blue/purple and or red fittings go to any hydrolics shope and have them make it all for you. It will look 100% better and you will save $$$. Crizilla how much is that set-up?


For a small block. ProCharger kit was $6300. Fuel kit ( 1000HP pump )was $1084 ( add another $380 for lines). Had ProSystems modify my existing carb for blowthrough = $460.


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