Quote:If your racing 1/8 mile use a crank driven EFI Procharger intercooled set up, if 1/4 the intercooled turbo, on a large budget, may be better the last three hundred feet
Whats the real difference????
If you had to pick,which one would you do and why???
Does one make more HP than the other??
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Supercharger if you want to impress your friends at a stop light. Turbo if you want to impress the people on the next block. LOL
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Supercharger if you want to impress your friends at a stop light. Turbo if you want to impress the people on the next block. LOL
and i still wait for a turbo street car to drive by me
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You still have 440-1 on that killer?
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You still have 440-1 on that killer?
blow thru , 440-1 out of the box and 22lbs of boost , no intercooler
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hmmmm, i have small tires and a blower and the same belt for 3 years and the same head gaskets and ...........
Quote:If you are bracket racing and want consistancy, ProCharger. Their kits ( and blowers) have come a long ways in the last few years re; ease of installation / maintenance.
Whats the real difference????
If you had to pick,which one would you do and why???
Does one make more HP than the other??
Quote:For a small block. ProCharger kit was $6300. Fuel kit ( 1000HP pump )was $1084 ( add another $380 for lines). Had ProSystems modify my existing carb for blowthrough = $460.
side ote, do yourself a big fat favor, instead of cobbling togther a braded fuel system w/ blue/purple and or red fittings go to any hydrolics shope and have them make it all for you. It will look 100% better and you will save $$$. Crizilla how much is that set-up?
Quote:Quote:For a small block. ProCharger kit was $6300. Fuel kit ( 1000HP pump )was $1084 ( add another $380 for lines). Had ProSystems modify my existing carb for blowthrough = $460.
side ote, do yourself a big fat favor, instead of cobbling togther a braded fuel system w/ blue/purple and or red fittings go to any hydrolics shope and have them make it all for you. It will look 100% better and you will save $$$. Crizilla how much is that set-up?
at those prices I'll be making my own system again.. that or 2 turbos
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blowers take 10% of your power to turn them . turbocharger uses none
I built my whole setup with a 360 or 408 in mind for the future so it does have some lag but traction isn't and issue either....
LOTS of answers!!!!!! 
just wondering if theres any more out there..
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Bigtime any more videos on your dart?I seen a few on youtude
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another i just found
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShPTKaIziBQ
your dart is hard core
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another i just found
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShPTKaIziBQ
your dart is hard core
thanks! we try
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Bigtime, how many cubes is your car?
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You still have 440-1 on that killer?
blow thru , 440-1 out of the box and 22lbs of boost , no intercooler
then you post a pic of your setup with "out of the box" cnc 345's
Quote:Quote:For a small block. ProCharger kit was $6300. Fuel kit ( 1000HP pump )was $1084 ( add another $380 for lines). Had ProSystems modify my existing carb for blowthrough = $460.
side ote, do yourself a big fat favor, instead of cobbling togther a braded fuel system w/ blue/purple and or red fittings go to any hydrolics shope and have them make it all for you. It will look 100% better and you will save $$$. Crizilla how much is that set-up?
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You still have 440-1 on that killer?
blow thru , 440-1 out of the box and 22lbs of boost , no intercooler
then you post a pic of your setup with "out of the box" cnc 345's
I bought the heads and block from Best machine over 4 years ago. This is actually the engine that i had sold but put back in the car for josh's race
why do you post stuff like this? My hood was off almost all of the indy event for people to look and i was answering questions. If it will make you feel better a i will go outside and take the hood off and take a picture. you want me to go buy a newspaper to prove the date to?
I love how simple your stuff looks... but on a serious note does the run better with box stock vs the cnc? or is just depend on how much Sh!t your piling into that engine
Quote:Not much talk on this thread regarding the "supporting cast" ( and there better not be any cast parts
WOW!!!!!!!
So,I guess it comes down to what you really want and IF you can afford it!!!! LOL And from what ive learned,Ill be going the NOS way!!!!!! HAHA!!!
). I started out with a target HP # and went from there. One of my limiting factors was I wanted to use a stock block. This put me in the - not over 700HP range. I went with a stock 360 block that sonic tested on the very good side. Then 3/4 filled it and went with 4 bolt Milodon caps, forged crank and H beam rods, Icon blower pistons. I still think it is probably boarder line for 700 HP, but time will tell.
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pretty simple if you ask me:
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the heads were the first set of mopar heads i ever bought. My goal was to make 875 NA and i was told they would work, After i decided to procharge it all i did was change the cam, pistons make a 4150 intake adapter and that was it.
Yes a engine needs to make real good power by itself or the boost won't be as big as a gain as it can be. Don't forget i don't turn this blower hard either it only see's 22lbs in the 1/8 and 24 in the 1/4.
Boost is only a measurement of restriction.
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pretty simple if you ask me:
That's one more 90 degree bend then my turbo has on my cold side....
And I have single exhaust, so that's only half the work there too! LOL...
I know you LOVE staging at idle, but I bet you'd love you car even more if it were faster with a turbo and all you had to do is put it on a two step during staging...
But I understand... going slow is a good trade off for easy staging.
if I could sell my N/A stuff.I wish I had my old 572 stuff back that I ran back in 03 I would have a F2 on it blowthru deal.Ive hinted around the idea about crank driven F2 on my W8 stuff,but would rather do 540 to 572 wedge or Hemi.Quote:Quote:Quote:
pretty simple if you ask me:
That's one more 90 degree bend then my turbo has on my cold side....
And I have single exhaust, so that's only half the work there too! LOL...
I know you LOVE staging at idle, but I bet you'd love you car even more if it were faster with a turbo and all you had to do is put it on a two step during staging...
But I understand... going slow is a good trade off for easy staging.
I do put it on the 2 step at 3500. the fact is i can do it at will without a special *Staging* procedure.
BUT whats really funny is all i hear is talk about how slow my car is from the turbo guys yet for 4 years i haven't seen one get around it?
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Bigtime your combo is real similar to what I would like to build
Whats the best ET you have run with that thing??
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blowers take 10% of your power to turn them . turbocharger uses none
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Great question Mike!
The technology race between these two is hard to keep up with, and I'm sure the answer probably reflects those advancements, and the individual application, as well as the persons previous experiences.
I'm just an old nitrous, carb dinasour, so all this stuff is beyond me, but having just attended both Drag Week, and the Street Car Super Nationals, it appears to me that the Turbo Cars have the upper hand. All the rides perpetuating that feeling however, are top flight, no expense spared, best tuners in the biz, so I'm not sure that's the case for the common man!
Qualifying in 10.5 Outlaw at SCSN
Doug Sikora Procharged Hemi Mustang 6.350-226.54
Mike Murillo TT Mustang 6.354-235.39
Billy Glidden Nitrous Mustang 6.45-217.21
Sikora's BAE equipped Stang: The piping appears to be a bit larger than Bigtime Auto's
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I was always told a Turbo is free HP since its fed by exhaust, but builds a lot of heat, and the chargers eithe roots or snail are crankshaft driven and in turn require hp loss to spin, but dont build nearly the heat. The charger systems have come along ways with built in intercoolers, and such, but the turbo also has had some serious upgrades like ball bearings, variable veigns, and such.
Id still LOVE to boost the Demon, but the 10.8 compression will require a lot of reworking the engine.
Quote:A few of the things that made me go with a Procharger ( centrifugal blower ) verses a turbo are: stand alone lube system, less heat issues ( inner cooler ), exhaust plumbing, Staging issues ( reads consistancy, spool up, exhaust heat ), Lube line plumbing, oil temp issues ( I'm already running a filled block ). Generally, the centrifugal blower system appeared to be a lower maintenance system. The "kit" I bought was very close to a true "bolt on " system. I had already prepped for it though by loosing the P/S and P/B systems from my car. I also have a car with a "ballroom sized" engine compartment.
I was always told a Turbo is free HP since its fed by exhaust, but builds a lot of heat, and the chargers eithe roots or snail are crankshaft driven and in turn require hp loss to spin, but dont build nearly the heat. The charger systems have come along ways with built in intercoolers, and such, but the turbo also has had some serious upgrades like ball bearings, variable veigns, and such.
Id still LOVE to boost the Demon, but the 10.8 compression will require a lot of reworking the engine.
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Bigtime your combo is real similar to what I would like to build
Whats the best ET you have run with that thing??
He went 5.20s at indy....I think he has been a touch faster.... he is still sleepin
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went 5.15 at indy with the slow procharged street car
