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Black out areas on a 71 charger rt #1339570 11/22/12 07:21 PM 11/22/12 07:21 PM
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vette1986 OP pro stock Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,347 Wahoo Nebr	Well my car is finally going in for color tomorrow and I want to make sure the body shop shots the areas correctly. are their areas that need to be blacked out behind the grille or any other spots that should be blacked out or should it all be color? thanks 1969.5 A12 Bee EV2 1971 Charger RT 1973 Duster tubbed 500 low deck 10.90 monster 3 440 polara vert projects

Re: Black out areas on a 71 charger rt [Re: vette1986] #1339571 11/22/12 09:00 PM 11/22/12 09:00 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 488 Chilly Northern, Minn. 71 Charger R/T mopar
71 Charger R/T mopar Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 488 Chilly Northern, Minn.	Here's what Chrysler had to say.......... My car didn't have such a clearly defined cut-off at the upper radiator support, it looked like this..... so I reproduced it as best I could like this.....

Re: Black out areas on a 71 charger rt [Re: 71 Charger R/T] #1339572 11/22/12 09:19 PM 11/22/12 09:19 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 488 Chilly Northern, Minn. 71 Charger R/T mopar
71 Charger R/T mopar Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 488 Chilly Northern, Minn.	Here's another car for reference (not mine) And here's a Hemi survivor car....... the whole upper radiator saddle is black.

Re: Black out areas on a 71 charger rt [Re: 71 Charger R/T] #1339573 11/24/12 03:33 AM 11/24/12 03:33 AM
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TX9H6E4CUDA master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,796 minnarusta	Well I know there is a black out panel on the inside of the doors near the rear edge. Ill take pictures of my original paint car that sat since 1979. For the absolute best powder coating go to J.I.T powder coating, contact infomation is in my personal profile..

Re: Black out areas on a 71 charger rt [Re: TX9H6E4CUDA] #1339574 11/26/12 08:34 PM 11/26/12 08:34 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 488 Chilly Northern, Minn. 71 Charger R/T mopar
71 Charger R/T mopar Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 488 Chilly Northern, Minn.	Quote: Well I know there is a black out panel on the inside of the doors near the rear edge. Ill take pictures of my original paint car that sat since 1979. You are very correct! I didn't even think of that. looks like black from the seal gasket in...........

Re: Black out areas on a 71 charger rt [Re: 71 Charger R/T] #1339575 11/26/12 09:38 PM 11/26/12 09:38 PM
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scatpacktom master S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,103 Phila Pa	I'm sure you guys know that the door gets painted what ever color the door panels are. If the car has white interior the door gets painted white as well. As far as black out goes, don't forget the lower lip on the front of the hood. Gets done with a brush.

Re: Black out areas on a 71 charger rt [Re: scatpacktom] #1339576 11/26/12 09:43 PM 11/26/12 09:43 PM
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hemi68charger master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,828 Houston, Tx	Also, don't forget the often overlooked part of the hood. The vertical pinchweld at the leading edge is also painted black along with the portion of the fenders behind the bumper... You can see here on my former survivor '71 Charger R/T what I'm talking about. 7477907-headlampwasherB.jpg (194 downloads) Troy Houston Mopar Connection Club '69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)

Re: Black out areas on a 71 charger rt [Re: scatpacktom] #1339577 11/27/12 02:18 AM 11/27/12 02:18 AM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 488 Chilly Northern, Minn. 71 Charger R/T mopar
71 Charger R/T mopar Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 488 Chilly Northern, Minn.	Quote: I'm sure you guys know that the door gets painted what ever color the door panels are. If the car has white interior the door gets painted white as well. I don't mean to be contrary, but I beg to differ! My car is a white interior car (factory) and the doors are painted black (original). I think that would be true on second gen's but not what I'm seeing on third gen's.

Re: Black out areas on a 71 charger rt [Re: hemi68charger] #1339578 11/27/12 08:30 AM 11/27/12 08:30 AM
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steve70 super stock Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 892 MA	Quote: Also, don't forget the often overlooked part of the hood. The vertical pinchweld at the leading edge is also painted black along with the portion of the fenders behind the bumper... You can see here on my former survivor '71 Charger R/T what I'm talking about. Does anyone have a more detailed picture of the hood blackout? 1970 Challenger T/A 4 speed

Re: Black out areas on a 71 charger rt [Re: steve70] #1339579 11/27/12 09:44 AM 11/27/12 09:44 AM
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1cuda mopar 1 Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 641 western australia	you will also find the interior color door area was painted first directly over the primer and then masked off before the body color went on. interesting about the white interior car with black on the door area-i know the 69 chargers had interior color there but the 3rd gen cars? someone have details on this? all the best frank.

Re: Black out areas on a 71 charger rt [Re: 71 Charger R/T] #1339580 11/27/12 10:18 AM 11/27/12 10:18 AM
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scatpacktom master S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,103 Phila Pa	Quote: Quote: I'm sure you guys know that the door gets painted what ever color the door panels are. If the car has white interior the door gets painted white as well. I don't mean to be contrary, but I beg to differ! My car is a white interior car (factory) and the doors are painted black (original). I think that would be true on second gen's but not what I'm seeing on third gen's. I don't know what to say other than "That's Chrysler for ya" My 71 Super Bee that is factory white interior had the doors painted white. I'm sure if I looked around the garages/barns I could take some convincing pictures. Another location that comes to mind that gets blacked out is the tab on the trailing edge of the fender where there is the strut that goes to the firewall. Also done with a brush

Re: Black out areas on a 71 charger rt [Re: 1cuda] #1339581 11/27/12 10:18 AM 11/27/12 10:18 AM
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EL5 71 mopar E Joined: May 2009 Posts: 562 New York	I previously owned two 1971 Chargers both with factory white interior and both were painted black in the rear door frame area. Both fender tags had the code TX9 in the door frame color area just before the interior upholstry color code. Black and white interior cars are the only ones I've found to have black door frame paint (on 1971 Chargers anyways)

Re: Black out areas on a 71 charger rt [Re: steve70] #1339582 11/27/12 10:20 AM 11/27/12 10:20 AM
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hemi68charger master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,828 Houston, Tx	Quote: Quote: Also, don't forget the often overlooked part of the hood. The vertical pinchweld at the leading edge is also painted black along with the portion of the fenders behind the bumper... You can see here on my former survivor '71 Charger R/T what I'm talking about. Does anyone have a more detailed picture of the hood blackout? Here's a photopage from Johnny's 71 webpage. www.71superbee.com In the below link, you'll see the blacked out portion of the hood. I will try and find the pictures of my '71. Also, don't forget the blacked out treatment of the pinch weld down the length of the rocker panel to floor pan. http://www.71superbee.com/Eddie_Margosian/GB5/#pop01 http://www.71superbee.com/71ChargerRTRegistry/WS23V1A129300/#pop01 Last edited by hemi68charger; 11/27/12 10:23 AM. Troy Houston Mopar Connection Club '69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)

Re: Black out areas on a 71 charger rt [Re: hemi68charger] #1339583 11/27/12 10:35 AM 11/27/12 10:35 AM
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steve70 super stock Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 892 MA	Thanks Troy! 1970 Challenger T/A 4 speed

Re: Black out areas on a 71 charger rt [Re: steve70] #1339584 11/27/12 10:53 AM 11/27/12 10:53 AM
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hemi68charger master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,828 Houston, Tx	Quote: Thanks Troy! No problem... And if you want to be as close to OEM as possible, the blacked out treatment on the hood's leading edge AND the rocker pinch was actually done with a brush. On my survivor, I could still see the brush marks.. Troy Houston Mopar Connection Club '69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)

Re: Black out areas on a 71 charger rt [Re: hemi68charger] #1339585 11/27/12 12:50 PM 11/27/12 12:50 PM
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scatpacktom master S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,103 Phila Pa	Here is a good shot from the "Motor Trend car" owned by Tim Wellborn. It's one of the best examples you can find on the Net I think. http://www.71superbee.com/Tim_Wellborn/EL5/image_15.html

Re: Black out areas on a 71 charger rt [Re: scatpacktom] #1339586 11/27/12 12:58 PM 11/27/12 12:58 PM
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hemi68charger master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,828 Houston, Tx	Quote: Here is a good shot from the "Motor Trend car" owned by Tim Wellborn. It's one of the best examples you can find on the Net I think. http://www.71superbee.com/Tim_Wellborn/EL5/image_15.html Perfect... As you can see, it wasn't the "cleanest" of application. In a nutshell, when you look towards the grille from the front, you shouldn't see any body color..... Some people like the "clean" look of fresh paint and not blacking anything out, but I think it distracts from the over all look of the car. The designers knew what they were doing..... Now, remember the fenders got the same treatment just behind the bumper, but only on the top-horizontal portion of the fender recess, not the vertical. Here's another image.. http://www.71superbee.com/71ChargerRTRegistry/Tim_Wellborn%20FE5/image_32.html Last edited by hemi68charger; 11/27/12 01:03 PM.

Re: Black out areas on a 71 charger rt [Re: hemi68charger] #1339587 11/27/12 02:18 PM 11/27/12 02:18 PM
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scatpacktom master S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,103 Phila Pa	So in a nut shell, if you car has just come out of the paint shop and is one color these areas would get blacked out. 1) Rad support,fenders(behind grille),hood lip(brush) 2) Fender tab for the firewall strut, rocker pinch weld(both brush) 3) Back of the door (depending on interior color, may not be black) 4) Winshield frame (brush)

Re: Black out areas on a 71 charger rt [Re: hemi68charger] #1339588 11/27/12 07:57 PM 11/27/12 07:57 PM
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EL5 71 mopar E Joined: May 2009 Posts: 562 New York	Quote: Quote: Quote: Also, don't forget the often overlooked part of the hood. The vertical pinchweld at the leading edge is also painted black along with the portion of the fenders behind the bumper... You can see here on my former survivor '71 Charger R/T what I'm talking about. Does anyone have a more detailed picture of the hood blackout? Here's a photopage from Johnny's 71 webpage. www.71superbee.com In the below link, you'll see the blacked out portion of the hood. I will try and find the pictures of my '71. Also, don't forget the blacked out treatment of the pinch weld down the length of the rocker panel to floor pan. http://www.71superbee.com/Eddie_Margosian/GB5/#pop01 http://www.71superbee.com/71ChargerRTRegistry/WS23V1A129300/#pop01 Thats too funny Troy.. I owned each of the R/T's in both of the links you posted. I've been thinking of purchasing the Sixpack one back again...for keeps this time.

Re: Black out areas on a 71 charger rt [Re: EL5 71] #1339589 11/28/12 02:10 PM 11/28/12 02:10 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,828 Houston, Tx hemi68charger master
hemi68charger master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,828 Houston, Tx	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Also, don't forget the often overlooked part of the hood. The vertical pinchweld at the leading edge is also painted black along with the portion of the fenders behind the bumper... You can see here on my former survivor '71 Charger R/T what I'm talking about. Does anyone have a more detailed picture of the hood blackout? Here's a photopage from Johnny's 71 webpage. www.71superbee.com In the below link, you'll see the blacked out portion of the hood. I will try and find the pictures of my '71. Also, don't forget the blacked out treatment of the pinch weld down the length of the rocker panel to floor pan. http://www.71superbee.com/Eddie_Margosian/GB5/#pop01 http://www.71superbee.com/71ChargerRTRegistry/WS23V1A129300/#pop01 Thats too funny Troy.. I owned each of the R/T's in both of the links you posted. I've been thinking of purchasing the Sixpack one back again...for keeps this time. I'd love to get my Survivor '71 back... I would like to contact him again and see "what-if"... It is in New York now... Good luck on the quest to get your v-code back, great car.. Troy Houston Mopar Connection Club '69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)

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