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Re: Anyone put a LS in their Mopar yet? [Re: 1964superstock] #1328366
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Is this a religion or a hobby? I have never seen the book of rules of what you can and can't do with your car. Do what you want and enjoy your car while you can.




Drag racing is a hobby. Mopar is a religion. I got my book of rules in 1983. It was over 1000 pages printed on thin india paper just like a bible, and it said "Direct Connection" on the cover.

I have never owned, or rebuilt, or raced a flathead, a small block chevy, a big block chevy, or an LS, and I'm fairly certain I never will. But if you're willing to sell your soul to save a few bucks or go a few tenths quicker have at it!

Don't know why you had to go bringing up all that PowerGlide/ nine inch talk though...that's hitting a little too close to home!!


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Re: Anyone put a LS in their Mopar yet? [Re: MoparBilly] #1328367
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Hmm, no LS, powerglide or 9" here...
And I like it that way.


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Re: Anyone put a LS in their Mopar yet? [Re: Guitar Jones] #1328368
11/22/12 01:06 PM
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LS GM motor in your mopar, 1000 hp no issue and crazy fuel mileage. I call total BULL S#!%. I have been around too many of nuked ls bottle bombs. Take into account the $3000 tpical running engine price
and compared to late hemi cylinder head flow the ls is meager at best. The valvetrain is really to weak to support a serious spring setup without a $2700 jesel or td rocker system. Unless you buy a ls 7 or 9 the heads aint great just ok. You know there are plenty of magnum truck motors with hyd rollercams and blowers pushing 1000 hp too. KRC perf pulled this off long ago. Down with ls crap.

Re: Anyone put a LS in their Mopar yet? [Re: OUTLAW MOPAR] #1328369
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LS GM motor in your mopar, 1000 hp no issue and crazy fuel mileage. I call total BULL S#!%. I have been around too many of nuked ls bottle bombs. Take into account the $3000 tpical running engine price
and compared to late hemi cylinder head flow the ls is meager at best. The valvetrain is really to weak to support a serious spring setup without a $2700 jesel or td rocker system. Unless you buy a ls 7 or 9 the heads aint great just ok. You know there are plenty of magnum truck motors with hyd rollercams and blowers pushing 1000 hp too. KRC perf pulled this off long ago. Down with ls crap.


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Re: Anyone put a LS in their Mopar yet? [Re: Thumperdart] #1328370
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Ive never been one to fall for all the hype. One claims 1200hp with a 5.3 truck engine and all of a sudden everything else is junk. Im still waiting to see all these 1000hp "stock" engines. Its internet hype and legends created from bs.


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Re: Anyone put a LS in their Mopar yet? [Re: 72Swinger] #1328371
11/22/12 10:21 PM
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I find a couple things mentioned here quite humorous. One is the BES Engine Masters GenIII hemi, which was an unlimited dollar build. Hardly a "best bang for the buck" deal.
The other thing is how often "the hemi head out flows the LS head" was mentioned. A very small piece of the overall picture. Carry on.

Re: Anyone put a LS in their Mopar yet? [Re: TrWaters] #1328372
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Just like all the unlimited $ LS entries it beat, I know they're all dyno queens but it proved the HEMI can run (outrun?) with an LS engine given the same rules. True the better HEMI heads are a small part of the puzzle, but it's a major part, as the LS and HEMI are very similar block wise and HP is heavily dependent on airflow.
I have a lot of respect for the LS but its not the end all be all some make it out to be

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Re: Anyone put a LS in their Mopar yet? [Re: 72Swinger] #1328373
11/24/12 09:29 PM
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Ive never been one to fall for all the hype. One claims 1200hp with a 5.3 truck engine and all of a sudden everything else is junk. Im still waiting to see all these 1000hp "stock" engines. Its internet hype and legends created from bs.




Well, it isn't a 5.3, but it is a 4.8.

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/hrdp_1109_stock_gm_ls_engine_big_bang_theory/


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Re: Anyone put a LS in their Mopar yet? [Re: BB70DUSTER] #1328374
11/24/12 10:25 PM
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Saw this one at Thompson a couple weeks ago. They were having trouble keeping it from going to the right. That things gonna fly when they get it sorted out.434 cu. in. LS3

Re: Anyone put a LS in their Mopar yet? [Re: SLOW67] #1328375
11/24/12 11:33 PM
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Stock Lq4 6.0- $875 to my door
L-92 heads- $890
GMPP hot cam kit- $364 my cost
carbed intake used off ebag- $200
gaskets, oil pumnp, and misc.- $300
Headers off ebag- $200 i think

Grand total of $2829 on hard parts. This is what a friend of mine put together for a customer. With a TH350 trans and big converter it made just a shade over 500whp in a 70 nova. I thinks thats pretty darn good for a N/A pumpgas roller cammed smallblock.




You don't make 500 wheel HP with junk.
So you are telling me that this nova runs mid
to low nines for under 3 grand???
Aint happening without a power adder


It's a bigblock with a torque flight!!!
Re: Anyone put a LS in their Mopar yet? [Re: mopar_to_ya] #1328376
11/24/12 11:50 PM
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SLOW67
I call BS!

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Stock Lq4 6.0- $875 to my door
L-92 heads- $890
GMPP hot cam kit- $364 my cost
carbed intake used off ebag- $200
gaskets, oil pumnp, and misc.- $300
Headers off ebag- $200 i think

Grand total of $2829 on hard parts. This is what a friend of mine put together for a customer. With a TH350 trans and big converter it made just a shade over 500whp in a 70 nova. I thinks thats pretty darn good for a N/A pumpgas roller cammed smallblock.




You don't make 500 wheel HP with junk.
So you are telling me that this nova runs mid
to low nines for under 3 grand???
Aint happening without a power adder





a 500hp 70 nova isn't running close to 9's. Unless it's a gutted, glassed, lexan race car. But then it's still just a Nova

Re: Anyone put a LS in their Mopar yet? [Re: JackGTX440] #1328377
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Ive never been one to fall for all the hype. One claims 1200hp with a 5.3 truck engine and all of a sudden everything else is junk. Im still waiting to see all these 1000hp "stock" engines. Its internet hype and legends created from bs.




Well, it isn't a 5.3, but it is a 4.8.

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/hrdp_1109_stock_gm_ls_engine_big_bang_theory/


That is impressive with a stock bottom end for sure. They still pulled it apart,ported the heads,changed valve springs and put in a different cam and lifters.Plus it has a $800 intake on it.


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Re: Anyone put a LS in their Mopar yet? [Re: 72Swinger] #1328378
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Question for all. as anyone on this forum actually built an LS engine, well i have built 4 of them ground up. One 5.3 two 6.0 one Ls 7 all except the ls7 with one or another with some sort of aftermarket head and port work. All had jesels except the 5.3 which had comp stud setup. All ran stand alone efi ( big money medioker output for $ spent ) but all left happy but i wasn't. The best one made 545hp 520tq 6700 rev hp and p 5400tq at flywheel. The ls7 was an 11000 engine in parts with no labor involved. In contrast 2 months ago i built a 418 / 340 block w2 headed hughes solid flat 10.5 comp MOPAR at just over 7000 parts cost and made 560hp 550tq at rear wheels!!!!! OH and at 6400hp and 4800tq TOTAL BAD ASS relative cheap. I am a die hard MOPAR freak but sometimes you need to know your enemy to know how defeat them.

Re: Anyone put a LS in their Mopar yet? [Re: 72Swinger] #1328379
11/25/12 11:43 AM
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That is impressive with a stock bottom end for sure. They still pulled it apart,ported the heads,changed valve springs and put in a different cam and lifters.Plus it has a $800 intake on it.




Well, I have a buddy with an 01 trans am grudge race car that makes over 1200 to the tire and has the plastic intake on it. I'm a Mopar guy through and through, but an LS with a bunch of boost and a lot of factory parts is an absolute killer. This car is also a street car. He drives it to work all the time.

I think the point was kinda missed here. The point was over 1200hp was made on a stock block and stock rotating assy. A gen3 hemi can't even get half way there on stock pistons an rods. I am currently building what should be a 1000hp 6.1, and it sucks that I have to replace the entire rotating assy because of ring lands, rods that fly apart and a crank that doesn't oil, and the GM guys don't even have to take theirs apart. Think about it, you could literally build a car that could go high 8's and not have to pull the block out of the car.


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Re: Anyone put a LS in their Mopar yet? [Re: JackGTX440] #1328380
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Why are mopar powdered metal rods such sh@t compared to GMS? Same with the hyper pistons,what's different? The LSA engines even use hyper pistols? Where did they screw up that ma mopars stuff is so inferior when its the same material?


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Re: Anyone put a LS in their Mopar yet? [Re: JackGTX440] #1328381
11/26/12 05:46 PM
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Think about it, you could literally build a car that could go high 8's and not have to pull the block out of the car.




It wouldn't live long if your talking about a full bodied car going 8's.....They are a great engine, but they aren't magic. My brother's shop has built several in the 8's, but they sure aren't stock shortblock motors. my

Re: Anyone put a LS in their Mopar yet? [Re: Quicksilver440] #1328382
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Think about it, you could literally build a car that could go high 8's and not have to pull the block out of the car.





how's that? I mean you are swapping the entire rotating assembly, heads, valve train, intake and whatever else. You are not going to run 8's in anything w/ a stock, production short block. Maybe if it was in a 1800lb rail car. I guess Anybody could do it by that logic if all you are using is a block.

Re: Anyone put a LS in their Mopar yet? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1328383
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I bet you could 8.99 in a 3000# f-body with a stock short block for at least a couple few events. The point is, it will live for a while and the genIII's will melt pistons and break rods at half that power. I love the genIII. I'm building one as we speak. I'm just saying, it has a few major things in the lower end that won't let it live stock where an LS can and have lived for a long time.

Re: Anyone put a LS in their Mopar yet? [Re: JackGTX440] #1328384
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Re: Anyone put a LS in their Mopar yet? [Re: Thumperdart] #1328385
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i love my mopars and i would never put an ls1 in my stuff but i felt a little pull in that direction when i got treated like i had leaprosy for putting a 383 in my car

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