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440 Tunnel Rams, Which one works best? #1325005
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I ran an "Offenhauser" tunnel ram on my car with a set of 660 Holleys for a bit before switching over to the M1 Tunnel ram. The M1 ran leaps and bounds better than the Offy. Is the M1 that much better than Offy or is the Offy just for bigger motors or what? My combo is a stock 73 440 bottom end, 7.8:1 compression, 295/557 Purple cam, 906 heads w/template porting, 1 7/8" headers. 3500 stall, 4:30 gears and 3760 w/driver. 12.30's @ 109 was it's best with the M1 tunnel ram. Should I give the OFFY another chance or is it always going to be a 2nd best?

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73 GTX *440*727*8 3/4*
69 DART GT *440*4 SPEED*DANA*
73 ROAD RUNNER *451*4 SPEED*DANA*
64 F100 *383*4 SPEED*9"*
75 DODGE D300 *440*4 SPEED*DANA*
99 DODGE RAM 3500 4X4 DUALLY... ON 38"s
Re: 440 Tunnel Rams, Which one works best? [Re: MadMopars] #1325006
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M1 will outperform the Offy imo.
That's an odd combination! 12.30 isn't too shabby ?


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M1 or the weiand.Scrap that Offy or sell it to some nostalgia guys.

Re: 440 Tunnel Rams, Which one works best? [Re: gch] #1325008
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Bump up your compression and put a pair of 750 double pumpers on it sideways, you'll love it then! Or for even more eye appeal, machine the top plate for the Dominator pattern and put on a pair of 750 Dominators.


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is the offy 180 a low dual carb setup?

a member here, TJ Marcus has a very strong running 440 with the offy tunnel ram

I run a weiand and love it


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Re: 440 Tunnel Rams, Which one works best? [Re: sixpackgut] #1325010
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is the offy 180 a low dual carb setup?

a member here, TJ Marcus has a very strong running 440 with the offy tunnel ram

I run a weiand and love it




It's substantially taller than the M1 and looking at it I don't know why it didn't work better. I was wondering if maybe my motor is to mild to utilize the Offy as it was designed? All I know is when I put the M1 on it was the fastest the car had ever gone. Swap meet weekend is coming up and I was just trying to decide whether or not it was time to send that Offy to a new home.

As far as the carbs go I will be trying some 750's next. I am going to be bumping the compression up this winter with some stock 1969 pistons so I'll be anxious to see how much that helps as well. Gotta love budget motors.


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73 GTX *440*727*8 3/4*
69 DART GT *440*4 SPEED*DANA*
73 ROAD RUNNER *451*4 SPEED*DANA*
64 F100 *383*4 SPEED*9"*
75 DODGE D300 *440*4 SPEED*DANA*
99 DODGE RAM 3500 4X4 DUALLY... ON 38"s
Re: 440 Tunnel Rams, Which one works best? [Re: MadMopars] #1325011
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is the offy 180 a low dual carb setup?

a member here, TJ Marcus has a very strong running 440 with the offy tunnel ram

I run a weiand and love it




It's substantially taller than the M1 and looking at it I don't know why it didn't work better. I was wondering if maybe my motor is to mild to utilize the Offy as it was designed? All I know is when I put the M1 on it was the fastest the car had ever gone. Swap meet weekend is coming up and I was just trying to decide whether or not it was time to send that Offy to a new home.

As far as the carbs go I will be trying some 750's next. I am going to be bumping the compression up this winter with some stock 1969 pistons so I'll be anxious to see how much that helps as well. Gotta love budget motors.




thats interesting but i find it a little hard to believe. what are the ET and MPH numbers between the 2 different intakes?


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Re: 440 Tunnel Rams, Which one works best? [Re: sixpackgut] #1325012
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EDIT: My Dad remembers the car would hardly even run right with the Offenhauser on it. I actually don't think it ever even went to the track with the Offenhauser on it the more I think about it. If I remember correctly it was through the recommendation of those on this site that I switch to the M1. Doing nothing more than switching to the M1 made the car run right which is also when it ran it's best ET when compared to the single plane. That Offy has been sitting on the shelf for years though as has the M1 now. With the addition of kids and a a lack of going racing I put a single plane back on the car for lowered maintenance during street use and down time for the last several years. Think it's worth another comparison before selling it?

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73 GTX *440*727*8 3/4*
69 DART GT *440*4 SPEED*DANA*
73 ROAD RUNNER *451*4 SPEED*DANA*
64 F100 *383*4 SPEED*9"*
75 DODGE D300 *440*4 SPEED*DANA*
99 DODGE RAM 3500 4X4 DUALLY... ON 38"s
Re: 440 Tunnel Rams, Which one works best? [Re: MadMopars] #1325013
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With your compression being 7.8 - 1 why would you think you need a tunnel ram and dual 660's?

Re: 440 Tunnel Rams, Which one works best? [Re: Mopar-Al] #1325014
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A buddy of mine bought a Dart a little while back. It's a back halfed 69. It came without an engine but with a Offy Tunnel Ram and two Holley 660's Another buddy of ours had an old 78 Monico in the field at his place. The 440 had been rebuilt for propane shortly before the tranny went and the previous owner did not want to fix it. We took out the motor, checked a couple of bearings, did a spray can rebuild. We added a Mopar 509 cam and a set of box stock Eddy RPM Heads. I am not sure what the compression is but if I remember correctly the pistons are .250 in the hole. So far that car has run 11.05 at 119. I am convinced some of the power is coming from the tunnel ram!


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Re: 440 Tunnel Rams, Which one works best? [Re: Mopar-Al] #1325015
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With your compression being 7.8 - 1 why would you think you need a tunnel ram and dual 660's?




I had them laying around, they look cool and it made the car over a tenth quicker....


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73 GTX *440*727*8 3/4*
69 DART GT *440*4 SPEED*DANA*
73 ROAD RUNNER *451*4 SPEED*DANA*
64 F100 *383*4 SPEED*9"*
75 DODGE D300 *440*4 SPEED*DANA*
99 DODGE RAM 3500 4X4 DUALLY... ON 38"s
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That's impressing for sure Especially at your weight

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something else was wrong like a vaccum leak. i would bet the offy is faster than the M1. I wouldn't sell it


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something else was wrong like a vaccum leak. i would bet the offy is faster than the M1. I wouldn't sell it




Okay, you win. I'll give it another shot. If it goes slower than the M1 though you owe me a set of intake gaskets.


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69 DART GT *440*4 SPEED*DANA*
73 ROAD RUNNER *451*4 SPEED*DANA*
64 F100 *383*4 SPEED*9"*
75 DODGE D300 *440*4 SPEED*DANA*
99 DODGE RAM 3500 4X4 DUALLY... ON 38"s
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something else was wrong like a vaccum leak. i would bet the offy is faster than the M1. I wouldn't sell it




Okay, you win. I'll give it another shot. If it goes slower than the M1 though you owe me a set of intake gaskets.




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It's been shown in tests that the M1 and Weiand are far better than the offy.

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try the offy again I ran 600's vac sec carbs on a whyand tunnelram on a 440 w 9-1comp a 509 cam and home ported 906's w a 3500 stall and 3:23 gears in a bone stock 70 valiant it went 11.50s at 120 lots of fun at the track and the bar lol.

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I miss my ram. but I will buy another one


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It's been shown in tests that the M1 and Weiand are far better than the offy.




if you look at the test you speak off, it wasn't a fair test


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I've had an Offy 360 tunnel ram for years. It has two Holley 650 carbs off a 350HP 68 Chrysler 440. For some reason that intake/carb combination has been the fastest intake I've put on just about anything from bone stock 440's to my old 10 second Dart. I'd never even change jetting moving it from motor to motor. I tested it back to back on my Dart with an M1 tunnel ram and the Offy was faster. It doesn't make sense but it is what it is.


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