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for guys running 1 how do you like this set up??? if you ran a carb before and changed over how much of a diff. did you see??? what it alot of cost going from carb to this set up??? which set up works better???terminator,toilet,carb.. or does it dep. on your type of racing???

1. Yes I like it. Very consistent. 2. I was running 112 octane gas before going to alcohol and the toilet. Was running a 1050 carb and went to the 4.1" toilet. Car picked up almost 2 tenths in the heat. I will admit my carb was jetted a little fat in the heat so that will contribute a little on that et gain. I strongly suggest an egt for at least tuning the new set up even if you don't run one long term. 3. I personally do not run a throttle stop, but have talked with people who run one with a toilet and they all have said that it just will not duplicate pass for pass. I think that a terminator would be better suited for that. Call James Monroe at killer rons (812)327-1190 for any info you should need. Super helpful and easy to talk to. 4. As for cost, I pieced my set up together. I had less than a $1000 in the injection set up, pump, pills, cable, filters, and hoses. My car still retains the factory fenderwells up front which limits any room for a front mounted cell. I fabbed up a aluminum tank with a holley float bowl to control fuel level that fits under the passenger fender. This is fed by my rear mounted fuel cell.
All in all, I am very happy with the set up. I record my water temp and egts every pass, and if I do my job right getting the water temp the same before staging, it will usually duplicate egt temps. Hope this helps. Beep

I have been running a Ron's Flying Toilet system since 2009.
That first year I won the track points championship, so I love it. I also ran exactly on my dial-in with a zero, 6 times that year (9.210). I changed heads and cam at the same time, so I don't have any ET comparison. But I think it is about 0.2 quicker in the heat of summer, and less in cooler weather.

The Flying Toilet kit from Rons is $1600 with the vane pump. The gear pump is an upgrade. The kit comes with everything except the fuel cell and fuel lines to/from the pump. They say you should run a front mounted fuel cell, or front surge tank. There is a good list of components on the killerrons.com web site (in the article for buying a used system). I recommend the "primer plus" gasoline starting/idling system. It makes it easier to start and uses less alcohol since you can high idle on gas to the staging lanes and on the return road and pits. It also helps put heat in the motor (warm-ups).

From an ET/mph standpoint, I think the Terminator and Flying Toilet run the same. Perhaps the Terminator is more suited to throttle stop racing, I never did that. The Toilet has slotted mounting holes to fit both a 4150 manifold or a 4500 intake, and it has a 4150 top opening (air filter, etc). The Terminator fits 4500 intake manifolds and has a 4500 top opening.

The first time I did a launch, I found out the throttle response was awesome!

thanks guys i have to get a new carb for the new motor so i was thinking about this..so i do have a few more ??? for you .. is this something that i can bolt on and not have to make alot of changes to the motor..as its already together.....i plan to try and do some grudge racing would it be a good choice for that???just getting some ideas as i am now trying to put the car together for next year.. hope i can have it fired in the next few weeks or so anyway..

Have been running a toilet for years, and love it. I get everything from James Monroe www.killerrons.com , and he is great to work with. We have ran on the throttle stop quite a bit, in the one car we broght car down to idle and it repeated. On the other one I run an elect. bypass and it works awesome with stop RPM at 3K, just keep leaning out the elect bypass till it stumbles, James Monroe helped a lot with tuning that set up.

No changes to the motor switching to the toilet. Please let me know if you have any questions, we running it on two different cars.

I also run the one car with the primer plus system, witch saves a lot on fuel, run it on gas from pits to the water box, then switch over to alky.

Please let me know if you need any assistance and I would be glad to help.
Curtis

I have run them for years also. I picked up .25 over a dominator setup on my 500ci low deck.

I wouldn't run one without Monroes primer. I back it out of the trailer and in less than 5 minutes I am 170 degrees and ready to make a pass.

If it is set up right you will NOT milk the oil either.

I change my oil every 50 passes or so, Just like on gas.

No comparison, I wish I did. I have been running them for 4yrs or so. Will never go back.

You just need to get close on the tune(not hard to do) and learn about it a little. No changes needed, other than back the timing down 2 degrees.

man this sounds pretty good.. i looked over on racing junk its 1 there for 800.00 not sure if it has everything with it or not.. i will call killer rons tomm. for some info and details as to what they recc. for me

I went from a pair of 759 Holleys on a tunnel ram to a pair of 4-Shooters, gas to alcohol, picked up .3 in the quarter, and a ton on the bottom end. Now I run an 8-Stack injection unit, slightly more complicated fuel system (my doing for dialing in the fuel curve) but nothing says nostalgia like a stack system.

i didnt get to call them today but i did get to read alot of good things about the system and how everybody is happy with the way things turned out...would you guys buy a used set up or just get the new deal???? thanks again guys... whats the price of a tank of alky???

I bought mine used, it came with a bunch of pills and a couple of different sized nozzle jets and a surge tank, which I don't use anymore. I called Jame Monroe, explained my combination, and he made a nozzle and pill recommendation. I expected it to work perfect after speaking with him... not even close. It took me several weeks to get it dialed in. If your unlucky like myself, work through the frustration and you'll never go back to a carb. I know 440Jim was able to get his tuned using an O2 data logger. That and a fuel pressure guage would be the ideal way to tune. Make sure you have a good working pump as it can cause many tuning issues. And yes, I would do it all over again! Good Luck!

The best place for the fuel pressure gauge is between the barrel valve and distribution block, you want to know what pressure the injectors are seeing and not what the pump is putting out.