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WAY more work than expected............... #1308642 09/22/12 08:14 AM 09/22/12 08:14 AM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion T Thumperdart OP I Live Here
Thumperdart OP I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion	I`m STILL working on wiring my heap and I`m sinking fast and my buddy before me butchered up some wiring so now I`m somewhat lost. I`ve got no voltage to the coil now w/the key on, no running lights and who knows what else. Was checking out different on line diagrams but got lost fast. I thaught this would be easy but I`m beyond pissed now...............3 long days later. Gotta figure somethin out before I light this piece on fire............... 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: WAY more work than expected............... [Re: Thumperdart] #1308643 09/22/12 08:42 AM 09/22/12 08:42 AM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 739 Florida 4 408Dust super stock
408Dust super stock 4 Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 739 Florida	Thump, If you do not have any experience in automotive electrical systems then find someone that does.Not being critical just giving advice that will probably save you some money in the long run.

Re: WAY more work than expected............... [Re: 408Dust] #1308644 09/22/12 09:19 AM 09/22/12 09:19 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,274 s.w.fl B bonefish master
bonefish master B Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,274 s.w.fl	put down the torch and step away from the car!!! somtimes it helps to just walk away for a couple of days,when you get back to it youll have a whole new outlook.its not that hard.belive me ,if i can do it so can you.

Re: WAY more work than expected............... [Re: Thumperdart] #1308645 09/22/12 11:13 AM 09/22/12 11:13 AM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az Crizila master
Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Quote: I`m STILL working on wiring my heap and I`m sinking fast and my buddy before me butchered up some wiring so now I`m somewhat lost. I`ve got no voltage to the coil now w/the key on, no running lights and who knows what else. Was checking out different on line diagrams but got lost fast. I thaught this would be easy but I`m beyond pissed now...............3 long days later. Gotta figure somethin out before I light this piece on fire............... You are going to have to start with the factory wiring diagram book for your car and go from there. Shouldn't be too hard depending on how many accessories came with your car. A good approach is to start uncluttering things by removing all the wiring that you are sure you won't use. Don't mean this as an insult, but if you have no power to the coil and no headlights, is the battery connected? Fastest 300

Re: WAY more work than expected............... [Re: Crizila] #1308646 09/22/12 11:20 AM 09/22/12 11:20 AM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,695 nc E emarine01 master
emarine01 master E Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,695 nc	Hey Thump Time to take a step back & a deep breath Relax and look at one run at a time, If you look at the whole picture you will

Re: WAY more work than expected............... [Re: Crizila] #1308647 09/22/12 11:21 AM 09/22/12 11:21 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	You are going to have to start with the factory wiring diagram book for your car and go from there. Shouldn't be too hard depending on how many accessories came with your car. A good approach is to start uncluttering things by removing all the wiring that you are sure you won't use. Don't mean this as an insult, but if you have no power to the coil and no headlights, is the battery connected? I used a factory book to do my Rampage to make sure which wire is which ... I have a big suspicion you dont have a hot going to the column/ignition switch because the running/turn signals and ignition run from the column

Re: WAY more work than expected............... [Re: Thumperdart] #1308648 09/22/12 11:54 AM 09/22/12 11:54 AM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 307 OH T TheBlackCar enthusiast
TheBlackCar enthusiast T Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 307 OH	If you have an MSD box, you won't have power to the coil until cranking, the keyed power is sent to the small red wire of the box. Hang in there.

Re: WAY more work than expected............... [Re: TheBlackCar] #1308649 09/22/12 12:50 PM 09/22/12 12:50 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,099 Rogue River, OR Jeremiah master
Jeremiah master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,099 Rogue River, OR	One thing at a time....don't try to fix multiple problems unless you know they are related. PM me if you want some phone support and I'll give you my cell number. As far as having power to the coil with the key on you have to hve the "start" and "run" circuits tied together and powering the MSD "ignition on" (little red wire) as well as having power to the large red wire that is used as the main power feed. Don't get too mad, once you figure it out you will be good for life because you will have a new set of skills to rely on. Got to get over the summit first and I think you are there man.

Re: WAY more work than expected............... [Re: Jeremiah] #1308650 09/22/12 01:35 PM 09/22/12 01:35 PM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,454 Glendora Ca. J Just-a-dart pro stock
Just-a-dart pro stock J Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,454 Glendora Ca.	Quote: One thing at a time....don't try to fix multiple problems unless you know they are related. PM me if you want some phone support and I'll give you my cell number. As far as having power to the coil with the key on you have to hve the "start" and "run" circuits tied together and powering the MSD "ignition on" (little red wire) as well as having power to the large red wire that is used as the main power feed. Don't get too mad, once you figure it out you will be good for life because you will have a new set of skills to rely on. Got to get over the summit first and I think you are there man. Good advice. Dom just work out your problems one system at a time. "Just a Bracket car dressed up like a streetcar"

Re: WAY more work than expected............... [Re: Jeremiah] #1308651 09/22/12 02:08 PM 09/22/12 02:08 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion T Thumperdart OP I Live Here
Thumperdart OP I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion	Thankxxx guys. The batts hooked up and on, I do have elec. issues anyhow cos the hack I got it from re-wired a bunch of stuff and now that I`m hooking it up properly it`s not responding like it should. I think I figured out the coil deal and after some , I`ll get back at it...........maybe I sound stupid to some of you guys w/my basic questions and that`s fine cos I don`t know everything and don`t mind cos I`m humble and willing to learn instead of pretending to know or paying soeone else to do it for me. I will prevail TODAY! thankxxx again 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: WAY more work than expected............... [Re: Thumperdart] #1308652 09/22/12 03:42 PM 09/22/12 03:42 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Dom... I like to do 1 circuit at a time... some of them do interface with another but that is usually 1 or maybe 2 wires.... for the ignition and the running lights/turn signals that stuff goes up the column and there is usually 2 hot leads going up the column but still the easiest way to to refer back to the book (wiring diagram)... also make sure you dont have the 4 way flasher on with no flasher in it.. that will mess you up.... LOL... I know

Re: WAY more work than expected............... [Re: Thumperdart] #1308653 09/22/12 06:21 PM 09/22/12 06:21 PM
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87MO DAK member Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 115 NY,Poughkeepsie	Hey man I did the same thing ...Ripped all the wiring out of my truck and started over cos it was such a mess from the previous owner's. I used a full time 12 volt source with a switch to trigger the MSD box .Some times its e-zer to start it hot by getting it cranking and switch the box on...and fires right up.

Re: WAY more work than expected............... [Re: 87MO DAK] #1308654 09/22/12 06:52 PM 09/22/12 06:52 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion T Thumperdart OP I Live Here
Thumperdart OP I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion	The pos runs but can`t figure out the running lights and now the tach. My s@#$$y computer won`t let me see wiring diagrams to hook up my shift light and tach together...........really pissed right now and I may have to put it away for a while......... 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: WAY more work than expected............... [Re: Thumperdart] #1308655 09/22/12 08:48 PM 09/22/12 08:48 PM
Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 115 NY,Poughkeepsie 87MO DAK member
87MO DAK member Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 115 NY,Poughkeepsie	I gave up trying to save my stock fuse block and just brought a chassis wiring harness .It was 130 bucks shipped and is simple/decent grade of wire ,with a fuse block/wire that is labeled .I haven't hooked it up yet ...but it seems pretty e-z. If you have a power probe that helps figuring out circuits fast and easy .I got a cheap one from Grainger # 1EKN4 .It works great for checking a + OR - circuit, and can feed 12 volts .

Re: WAY more work than expected............... [Re: Thumperdart] #1308656 09/22/12 09:20 PM 09/22/12 09:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard... mopar65 master
mopar65 master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard...	Quote: The pos runs but can`t figure out the running lights and now the tach. My [Email]s@#$$y[/Email] computer won`t let me see wiring diagrams to hook up my shift light and tach together...........really pissed right now and I may have to put it away for a while......... here you go. also just take your time and i know you will get it. tell you what fly me out there and i will rewire your car if you will tune my Holley for me. i fell about tuning carbs like you are with wiring.lol Quote: http://www.mymopar.com/downloads/1971/71DartA.JPG 3520 pound race ready 1973 Street/Strip Dodge Dart - Stock stroke 440/727 10.49 @ 125.0 on 93 pump gas & ET Street Radials. More to come... ( SGT Miller) Proudly served 12 years in the US ARMY RESERVES support our troops

Re: WAY more work than expected............... [Re: mopar65] #1308657 09/22/12 09:22 PM 09/22/12 09:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard... mopar65 master
mopar65 master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard...	second sheet. Mopar65 Quote: http://www.mymopar.com/downloads/1971/71DartB.JPG also this is the charts that i used to wire up my 73 dart. here is the link to the site that has all the different year cars. Quote: http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=27 3520 pound race ready 1973 Street/Strip Dodge Dart - Stock stroke 440/727 10.49 @ 125.0 on 93 pump gas & ET Street Radials. More to come... ( SGT Miller) Proudly served 12 years in the US ARMY RESERVES support our troops

Re: WAY more work than expected............... [Re: mopar65] #1308658 09/23/12 04:49 AM 09/23/12 04:49 AM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion T Thumperdart OP I Live Here
Thumperdart OP I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion	Thankxxx for all of the tips and help and I finally have it about finished just need to hook up my MSD shift light and calobrate my wideband. Turns out my buddy I got the car from years ago had done some cheezy patch work wireing and by me hooking it up properly it was actually all wrong if that makes sense and I was chaseing my tail for hours not getting too much done and gettin ticked...........not fun. Decided to take Jeremiah up on calling him and he went out of his way to explain the wires their colors and where they`re SUPPOSED to go in the areas I had no power in and sure enuff, I found the mess and re routed the wires as they should be and we`re good to go. Used hardware store strip pannels and seperated grounds from the pos. wires cleaned up a TON of go no where wires and ran new wire from my gauge pannel to the MSD box and only kept the stock wireing I need for head lights,tail lights and blinkers. I soldered and used shrink wrap on every single wire end and what a difference...........can you say BRIGHT LIGHTS............ You guys rock..............peace. Wish I could fly ya out here Bobby.....maybe next time. Last edited by Thumperdart; 09/23/12 05:24 AM. 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: WAY more work than expected............... [Re: Thumperdart] #1308659 09/23/12 07:01 PM 09/23/12 07:01 PM
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,463 Sydney,Australia tex013 top fuel
tex013 top fuel Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,463 Sydney,Australia	Tex New best ET 10.259@129.65 . New best MPH 130.32 Finally fitted a solid cam, stepped it up a bit more 3690lbs through the mufflers New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm Power by Tex's Automotive

Re: WAY more work than expected............... [Re: tex013] #1308660 09/23/12 08:25 PM 09/23/12 08:25 PM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,682 Philadelphia R radar top fuel
radar top fuel R Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,682 Philadelphia	I made it all work and easy to work on but dang its ugly

Re: WAY more work than expected............... [Re: tex013] #1308661 09/24/12 03:27 AM 09/24/12 03:27 AM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion T Thumperdart OP I Live Here
Thumperdart OP I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion	Quote: Tex Guess I spoke too soon............go out to start my car today and no ignition check fuse box and blown fuse..........20+ fuses later and trying every wiring combo my friend and I can think of and still can`t figure it out. Turn key to crank position and fuse blows....I wired it right and now it`s all wrong. There was a problem w/the ign. when I got the car years ago and that explains why he bypassed the ign. switch and ran a remote switch w/activates the msd box THEN you hit the key to start it.........5-days later I`m beat and over this pos for a bit. How would one go about wiring up the ign. switch when many of the wires are gone and why the hell did it run yesturday and not today? Totally baffeling and I guess I realy have to earn this one............later. 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

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