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WAY more work than expected...............

Posted By: Thumperdart

WAY more work than expected............... - 09/22/12 12:14 PM

I`m STILL working on wiring my heap and I`m sinking fast and my buddy before me butchered up some wiring so now I`m somewhat lost. I`ve got no voltage to the coil now w/the key on, no running lights and who knows what else. Was checking out different on line diagrams but got lost fast. I thaught this would be easy but I`m beyond pissed now...............3 long days later. Gotta figure somethin out before I light this piece on fire...............
Posted By: 408Dust

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/22/12 12:42 PM

Thump, If you do not have any experience in automotive electrical systems then find someone that does.Not being critical just giving advice that will probably save you some money in the long run.
Posted By: bonefish

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/22/12 01:19 PM

put down the torch and step away from the car!!! somtimes it helps to just walk away for a couple of days,when you get back to it youll have a whole new outlook.its not that hard.belive me ,if i can do it so can you.
Posted By: Crizila

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/22/12 03:13 PM

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I`m STILL working on wiring my heap and I`m sinking fast and my buddy before me butchered up some wiring so now I`m somewhat lost. I`ve got no voltage to the coil now w/the key on, no running lights and who knows what else. Was checking out different on line diagrams but got lost fast. I thaught this would be easy but I`m beyond pissed now...............3 long days later. Gotta figure somethin out before I light this piece on fire...............

You are going to have to start with the factory wiring diagram book for your car and go from there. Shouldn't be too hard depending on how many accessories came with your car. A good approach is to start uncluttering things by removing all the wiring that you are sure you won't use. Don't mean this as an insult, but if you have no power to the coil and no headlights, is the battery connected?
Posted By: emarine01

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/22/12 03:20 PM

Hey Thump Time to take a step back & a deep breath Relax and look at one run at a time, If you look at the whole picture you will
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/22/12 03:21 PM

You are going to have to start with the factory wiring diagram book for your car and go from there. Shouldn't be too hard depending on how many accessories came with your car. A good approach is to start uncluttering things by removing all the wiring that you are sure you won't use. Don't mean this as an insult, but if you have no power to the coil and no headlights, is the battery connected?



I used a factory book to do my Rampage to make sure
which wire is which ... I have a big suspicion you
dont have a hot going to the column/ignition switch
because the running/turn signals and ignition run
from the column
Posted By: TheBlackCar

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/22/12 03:54 PM

If you have an MSD box, you won't have power to the coil until cranking, the keyed power is sent to the small red wire of the box.

Hang in there.
Posted By: Jeremiah

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/22/12 04:50 PM

One thing at a time....don't try to fix multiple problems unless you know they are related.

PM me if you want some phone support and I'll give you my cell number.

As far as having power to the coil with the key on you have to hve the "start" and "run" circuits tied together and powering the MSD "ignition on" (little red wire) as well as having power to the large red wire that is used as the main power feed.

Don't get too mad, once you figure it out you will be good for life because you will have a new set of skills to rely on. Got to get over the summit first and I think you are there man.
Posted By: Just-a-dart

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/22/12 05:35 PM

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One thing at a time....don't try to fix multiple problems unless you know they are related.

PM me if you want some phone support and I'll give you my cell number.

As far as having power to the coil with the key on you have to hve the "start" and "run" circuits tied together and powering the MSD "ignition on" (little red wire) as well as having power to the large red wire that is used as the main power feed.

Don't get too mad, once you figure it out you will be good for life because you will have a new set of skills to rely on. Got to get over the summit first and I think you are there man.





Good advice. Dom just work out your problems one system at a time.
Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/22/12 06:08 PM

Thankxxx guys. The batts hooked up and on, I do have elec. issues anyhow cos the hack I got it from re-wired a bunch of stuff and now that I`m hooking it up properly it`s not responding like it should. I think I figured out the coil deal and after some , I`ll get back at it...........maybe I sound stupid to some of you guys w/my basic questions and that`s fine cos I don`t know everything and don`t mind cos I`m humble and willing to learn instead of pretending to know or paying soeone else to do it for me. I will prevail TODAY! thankxxx again
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/22/12 07:42 PM

Dom... I like to do 1 circuit at a time... some of them
do interface with another but that is usually 1 or
maybe 2 wires.... for the ignition and the running
lights/turn signals that stuff goes up the column
and there is usually 2 hot leads going up the column
but still the easiest way to to refer back to the book
(wiring diagram)... also make sure you dont have the
4 way flasher on with no flasher in it.. that will
mess you up.... LOL... I know
Posted By: 87MO DAK

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/22/12 10:21 PM

Hey man I did the same thing ...Ripped all the wiring out of
my truck and started over cos it was such a mess from the previous
owner's.
I used a full time 12 volt source with a switch to
trigger the MSD box .Some times its e-zer to start it hot by
getting it cranking and switch the box on...and fires right up.
Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/22/12 10:52 PM

The pos runs but can`t figure out the running lights and now the tach. My s@#$$y computer won`t let me see wiring diagrams to hook up my shift light and tach together...........really pissed right now and I may have to put it away for a while.........
Posted By: 87MO DAK

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/23/12 12:48 AM

I gave up trying to save my stock fuse block and just
brought a chassis wiring harness .It was 130 bucks shipped
and is simple/decent grade of wire ,with a fuse block/wire
that is labeled .I haven't hooked it up yet ...but it
seems pretty e-z. If you have a power probe that helps
figuring out circuits fast and easy .I got a cheap one from
Grainger # 1EKN4 .It works great for checking a + OR - circuit,
and can feed 12 volts .
Posted By: mopar65

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/23/12 01:20 AM

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The pos runs but can`t figure out the running lights and now the tach. My [Email]s@#$$y[/Email] computer won`t let me see wiring diagrams to hook up my shift light and tach together...........really pissed right now and I may have to put it away for a while.........



here you go. also just take your time and i know you will get it. tell you what fly me out there and i will rewire your car if you will tune my Holley for me. i fell about tuning carbs like you are with wiring.lol

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http://www.mymopar.com/downloads/1971/71DartA.JPG

Posted By: mopar65

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/23/12 01:22 AM

second sheet. Mopar65

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http://www.mymopar.com/downloads/1971/71DartB.JPG



also this is the charts that i used to wire up my 73 dart.

here is the link to the site that has all the different year cars.
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http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=27

Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/23/12 08:49 AM

Thankxxx for all of the tips and help and I finally have it about finished just need to hook up my MSD shift light and calobrate my wideband. Turns out my buddy I got the car from years ago had done some cheezy patch work wireing and by me hooking it up properly it was actually all wrong if that makes sense and I was chaseing my tail for hours not getting too much done and gettin ticked...........not fun. Decided to take Jeremiah up on calling him and he went out of his way to explain the wires their colors and where they`re SUPPOSED to go in the areas I had no power in and sure enuff, I found the mess and re routed the wires as they should be and we`re good to go. Used hardware store strip pannels and seperated grounds from the pos. wires cleaned up a TON of go no where wires and ran new wire from my gauge pannel to the MSD box and only kept the stock wireing I need for head lights,tail lights and blinkers. I soldered and used shrink wrap on every single wire end and what a difference...........can you say BRIGHT LIGHTS............ You guys rock..............peace. Wish I could fly ya out here Bobby.....maybe next time.
Posted By: tex013

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/23/12 11:01 PM




Tex
Posted By: radar

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/24/12 12:25 AM


I made it all work and easy to work on but dang its ugly

Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/24/12 07:27 AM

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Tex

Guess I spoke too soon............go out to start my car today and no ignition check fuse box and blown fuse..........20+ fuses later and trying every wiring combo my friend and I can think of and still can`t figure it out. Turn key to crank position and fuse blows....I wired it right and now it`s all wrong. There was a problem w/the ign. when I got the car years ago and that explains why he bypassed the ign. switch and ran a remote switch w/activates the msd box THEN you hit the key to start it.........5-days later I`m beat and over this pos for a bit. How would one go about wiring up the ign. switch when many of the wires are gone and why the hell did it run yesturday and not today? Totally baffeling and I guess I realy have to earn this one............later.
Posted By: StripeHOG

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/24/12 12:32 PM

sounds like a chaffed (sp?) wire in that circuit.... which very well could be the reason he bypassed it.... follow it up to the power source and I'd bet you will find a short
Posted By: Jeremiah

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/24/12 02:18 PM

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Tex

Guess I spoke too soon............go out to start my car today and no ignition check fuse box and blown fuse..........20+ fuses later and trying every wiring combo my friend and I can think of and still can`t figure it out. Turn key to crank position and fuse blows....I wired it right and now it`s all wrong. There was a problem w/the ign. when I got the car years ago and that explains why he bypassed the ign. switch and ran a remote switch w/activates the msd box THEN you hit the key to start it.........5-days later I`m beat and over this pos for a bit. How would one go about wiring up the ign. switch when many of the wires are gone and why the hell did it run yesturday and not today? Totally baffeling and I guess I realy have to earn this one............later.



You need to make sure that the "start" and "run" circuits are tied together, but not supplying the MSD with 12V at the same time. When you turn the key to "on" you should be supplying 12V for the "run" circuit. When you turn the key to "start" the ignition gets 12V from a different source while cranking. If you bypassed the key and have power to the MSD all of the time and you turn the key to "start" it will short out and blow a fuse. Sorry I missed you yesterday, got called out to work...

I am sure this is minor and it sounds like you are doing a good job by not letting it get the best of you.
Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/24/12 05:13 PM

Wiring has always been one of my weaker points and hopefully my college classes will hone in these highly needed skills. I would of been at this one maybe two days if the wiring was un butchered but that`s not the case and now I have two customers cars to work on so I`ll get to it when I can..........thankxxx. Jeramiah, I`ll take what you posted and see what I can find but again, ran the night before and blows fuses the next day............
Posted By: Pink Dart

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/24/12 08:32 PM

No not FIRE!
Posted By: Dartin

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/25/12 12:28 AM

Dom, I feel your pain with the wiring. I think everyone that owned my car over the years, including myself, Cut at least a couple wires. The ones that weren't cut were brittle. I decided to bite the bullit and rewire the car with a Kwik Wire kit (kind of like a painless). I suck at wiring but now that it's done it looks neater and everything works like it's supposed to. I also had a match and gas can on stand-by.....

Randy
Posted By: Winchester 73

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/25/12 01:23 AM

my buddy who is one of the smartest guys i know and has a mopar PHD had a duster that wouldent start and would blow fuses and burn up ignition boxes.i loaned him a full milk crate of old ignition control modules from my parts pile.he called the next day and said all of the boxes were bad!i told him i pulled alot of them from running cars so there was no way they were all bad.he had the battery hooked up backwards
Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/25/12 04:20 AM

I figured a .44 mag would be more fun than watching it burn and believe me, the thaught crossed my mind but since I can`t own a gun yet that fantasy was a wash.......... I took care of my customers today and I`ll be back at it later tonight just waitin on Jeramiah to call me back so we/he can figure it out...........oh, my batterie`s hooked up properly.
Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/26/12 04:09 PM

Well, it`s running again and after going through all of my new wirng AGAIN, checking the ign. wires which were suspect the only thing that makes sense is the fuse box. All I did was tie wrap all of my work up nicely but now I`m thinking that when I got to the fuse box and tucked it up tightly, that the wires on the back of the box must of been touching each other or something else to short em out. Jeramiah was kind enuff to walk me through the stock wiring diagrams he had over the phone and even grabbed one of his steering colums to verify the ign. circuits and to make sure I wired it correctly and I did. Now I have to find the cut wres to my back inside running lights and HOPEFULLY we`re good to go.............Thankxxx again..........
Posted By: VernMotor

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/26/12 05:39 PM

Are you done yet ? lmao
Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/26/12 05:46 PM

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Are you done yet ? lmao

Are we ever done?
Posted By: Crizila

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/26/12 06:02 PM

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Are you done yet ? lmao

Are we ever done?

Ya, when we're dead!
Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/26/12 06:20 PM

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Are you done yet ? lmao

Are we ever done?

Ya, when we're dead!

Sooooooooo true.........
Posted By: Jeremiah

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/26/12 06:39 PM

I am glad to hear that things are still operating as you would expect them to. It can be really frustrating to work on a car that has been "repaired" in the past by another "mechanic". Glad to be able to help out!
Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: WAY more work than expected............... - 09/30/12 03:51 AM

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I am glad to hear that things are still operating as you would expect them to. It can be really frustrating to work on a car that has been "repaired" in the past by another "mechanic". Glad to be able to help out!

Thankxxx for all of your help.........I was gettin ready to respond back a few days ago but my computer froze and is being repaired as we speak. Drove the dart yesturday and all`s well so far but I still need to get the rear inside lights working and fatten it up on the top end since it`s around 12.8 at 6500rpms and Bakersfield`s quite a bit lower generally then my town is. Thankxxx again.......
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