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Turbo Build for the duster info please #1299162 09/07/12 05:14 PM 09/07/12 05:14 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,207 Menomonee Falls DemonDust OP master
DemonDust OP master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,207 Menomonee Falls	I've been wanting to build a turbo setup for sometime. I've asked several times about it and guys have told me not to use my current setup at all for a turbo engine, because all the parts are too lightweight. My target was around 1200 hp on E-85 blow thru, which I feel would be easily attainable with my current setup. So that being said how much ballpark would it cost to do this with a different engine SB? RB? any tried and proven builds? I feel like it will cost me a lot more to start over with a different build completely.. Maybe I am wrong? SDG Motorsports Hellcat Demon and Redeye Supercharger CNC Porting https://www.sdgmotorsports.com/

Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: DemonDust] #1299163 09/07/12 06:26 PM 09/07/12 06:26 PM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 252 St.Louis, Mo. M mokid enthusiast
mokid enthusiast M Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 252 St.Louis, Mo.	Why don'y you talk to a turbo engine builder like Jensen, Bennet,guy who know a thing or two about combos and what works.

Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: mokid] #1299164 09/07/12 06:40 PM 09/07/12 06:40 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,207 Menomonee Falls DemonDust OP master
DemonDust OP master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,207 Menomonee Falls	Never heard of either of them. Did a search and all I found was a import website. Have any links for these guys? Are they mopar guys? SDG Motorsports Hellcat Demon and Redeye Supercharger CNC Porting https://www.sdgmotorsports.com/

Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: DemonDust] #1299165 09/07/12 08:50 PM 09/07/12 08:50 PM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 252 St.Louis, Mo. M mokid enthusiast
mokid enthusiast M Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 252 St.Louis, Mo.	stevemoorisengines.com smreperformance.com bennetracing.com some of the best in the biz

Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: mokid] #1299166 09/08/12 10:06 AM 09/08/12 10:06 AM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 453 Holly, MI JackGTX440 mopar
JackGTX440 mopar Joined: May 2004 Posts: 453 Holly, MI	What is your current combo? Jack Irons Jr. '67 GTX, turbo 6.1 HEMI

Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: JackGTX440] #1299167 09/08/12 10:18 AM 09/08/12 10:18 AM
Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 180 long island newyork A Abodyjohn88 member
Abodyjohn88 member A Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 180 long island newyork	Hes running an r5p7......i say forget the haters and turbo that motor!........though iam partial to a procharger setup....that engine with an f1x/r would run like a scalded.cat! Call steve morris best procharger guy on earth!

Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: JackGTX440] #1299168 09/08/12 10:23 AM 09/08/12 10:23 AM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 760 Southington Ct. T turbobitt super stock
turbobitt super stock T Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 760 Southington Ct.	Quote: What is your current combo? X2, More info needed. I would consider going EFI. Fuel managment is key to making good reliable power. Your goal of 1200 HP sounds conservative. Edit: I meant conservative for race gas at least... Allan G. Last edited by turbobitt; 09/08/12 10:25 AM. 1970 Challenger w/572 Hemi street car and my pride and joy. 1986 T-Type with 272 Stage 2 Buick V6 engine - True 8 second street car. Just updated the engine and put down 928 HP @ 35# boost to the ground on chasis dyno. 1976 Cee Bee Avenger Jet Boat - 460 Ford powered.

Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: JackGTX440] #1299169 09/08/12 11:53 AM 09/08/12 11:53 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,207 Menomonee Falls DemonDust OP master
DemonDust OP master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,207 Menomonee Falls	Quote: What is your current combo? Currently it's 358 CI, heads flow 408 cfm on the intake naturally aspirated. 3.23 stroke 4.185 bore. 848 HP 565 ft/lbs. 5 stage Dry sump oiling system. 1050 4150 quickfuel carb. 7al ignition. 904 trans 7000 stall convertor. 5.33 with spool SDG Motorsports Hellcat Demon and Redeye Supercharger CNC Porting https://www.sdgmotorsports.com/

Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: turbobitt] #1299170 09/08/12 11:56 AM 09/08/12 11:56 AM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 453 Holly, MI JackGTX440 mopar
JackGTX440 mopar Joined: May 2004 Posts: 453 Holly, MI	Who told you not to turbo this engine?? That would pretty much be my dream combo for my car. I'm currently doing a turbo 6.1. May want to maybe consider a beefier piston, but I only say this because I'm not sure what those pistons look like. What rods do you have? I too would also really consider EFI. Plus with E85, I think you'll make a bazillion hp. Those engines have some pretty kick ass parts in them. It is obviously going to require a cam, convertor and gear change. Jack Irons Jr. '67 GTX, turbo 6.1 HEMI

Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: JackGTX440] #1299171 09/08/12 12:09 PM 09/08/12 12:09 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,207 Menomonee Falls DemonDust OP master
DemonDust OP master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,207 Menomonee Falls	Ever since I mentioned this a few years ago guys have been saying don't do it. But when I was doing the project originally a ton of guys were on here saying that combo would never work as a drag car and wouldn't you know, these engines run 9.30's to 9.40's all day long with minimal to no tuning. Yes the pistons will def need to be changed. I think total height of the piston skirt to deck is only 1.32 if I remember correctly. Extremely short pistons. I'm running a 6.250 rod right now, so plenty of room to shorten the rod for more comp height and make a dish I would think. Yeah everything is billet or titanium SDG Motorsports Hellcat Demon and Redeye Supercharger CNC Porting https://www.sdgmotorsports.com/

Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: DemonDust] #1299172 09/08/12 03:38 PM 09/08/12 03:38 PM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 760 Southington Ct. T turbobitt super stock
turbobitt super stock T Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 760 Southington Ct.	Quote: Quote: What is your current combo? Currently it's 358 CI, heads flow 408 cfm on the intake naturally aspirated. 3.23 stroke 4.185 bore. 848 HP 565 ft/lbs. 5 stage Dry sump oiling system. 1050 4150 quickfuel carb. 7al ignition. 904 trans 7000 stall convertor. 5.33 with spool What Compression ? I would say 9-9.5 would be perfect for that engine on race gas but could tolerate 10:1 if tune is right-on. 1400-1600 would be easily obtainable with your current combination providing compression isn't to high. Being somewhat small, it is beggin for a nice single T6 flange turbo. Wouldn't choke it to much and would spool a 100+mm turbo really well. With that really nice modern engine, a nice FAST XFI would compliment it nicely. Allan G. 1970 Challenger w/572 Hemi street car and my pride and joy. 1986 T-Type with 272 Stage 2 Buick V6 engine - True 8 second street car. Just updated the engine and put down 928 HP @ 35# boost to the ground on chasis dyno. 1976 Cee Bee Avenger Jet Boat - 460 Ford powered.

Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: DemonDust] #1299173 09/08/12 09:25 PM 09/08/12 09:25 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,147 Melbourne , Australia LA360 master
LA360 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,147 Melbourne , Australia	The only thing I would imagine would be a problem is what crankshafts are available, I would imagine a 2" rod journal would have to be a minimum. Is something like that available without having one made? The blocks are plenty sturdy, piston and rods are easily changed, so I don't see what the fuss is about. The only other thing would be camshaft cores with a wide enough lobe separation. I don't know why no one else has tried an engine like this already Alan Jones

Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: LA360] #1299174 09/09/12 01:52 AM 09/09/12 01:52 AM
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DemonDust OP master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,207 Menomonee Falls	Currently the compression is at 11.8:1. If I ran the fast system wouldn't I have to do the dual quad setup? If I remember right the single 4 is good for like 600 hp. I have several cranks ranging from 3.23-3.31 with 2.100 rod journals. They were from the early days when Petty was using the old R5 stuff. Compared to the newest R5 stuff, this stuff is heavy My plan is to use one of the large journal cranks for the turbo build. SDG Motorsports Hellcat Demon and Redeye Supercharger CNC Porting https://www.sdgmotorsports.com/

Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: DemonDust] #1299175 09/09/12 06:50 AM 09/09/12 06:50 AM
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cudacustoms1 member C Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 169 SW WI	Do a search on the 69 cuda "blowfish" that rad rides built. I belive it has a motor kind of what you are looking for. I was told recently that it was close to 2200hp? Hope this helps.

Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: cudacustoms1] #1299176 09/09/12 07:52 AM 09/09/12 07:52 AM
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DemonDust OP master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,207 Menomonee Falls	I emailed them a couple times a while back, they don't have any build info on their site. I never heard anything from them. SDG Motorsports Hellcat Demon and Redeye Supercharger CNC Porting https://www.sdgmotorsports.com/

Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: DemonDust] #1299177 09/09/12 10:45 AM 09/09/12 10:45 AM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 760 Southington Ct. T turbobitt super stock
turbobitt super stock T Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 760 Southington Ct.	Quote: Currently the compression is at 11.8:1. If I ran the fast system wouldn't I have to do the dual quad setup? If I remember right the single 4 is good for like 600 hp. I have several cranks ranging from 3.23-3.31 with 2.100 rod journals. They were from the early days when Petty was using the old R5 stuff. Compared to the newest R5 stuff, this stuff is heavy My plan is to use one of the large journal cranks for the turbo build. Fast has a dominator style throttle body that would work nicley. If you were going EFI, I wouldn't consider that anyway. You would be building a custom system anyway and not some pre-made kit. I would use a 90 degree adapter and mount a single blade Ford style 90mm or larger TB. This way it is easier to fab up some pipes. There are a lot of options available. http://www.accufabracing.com/index.php?o...il&Itemid=5 Another really nice feature of the Fast system is that it intigrates the spark control into the system. This gives you a lot of flexability and really precise control. Allan G. 1970 Challenger w/572 Hemi street car and my pride and joy. 1986 T-Type with 272 Stage 2 Buick V6 engine - True 8 second street car. Just updated the engine and put down 928 HP @ 35# boost to the ground on chasis dyno. 1976 Cee Bee Avenger Jet Boat - 460 Ford powered.

Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: DemonDust] #1299178 09/09/12 11:40 AM 09/09/12 11:40 AM
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smokinwoody I Live Here S Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 12,339 somwhere	Quote: I emailed them a couple times a while back, they don't have any build info on their site. I never heard anything from them. call them and ask for his dad Jack...he's the man behind the mechanical genius.... http://www.radrides.com/home.php

Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: smokinwoody] #1299179 09/09/12 09:26 PM 09/09/12 09:26 PM
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DemonDust OP master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,207 Menomonee Falls	I didn't know you could build a custom system with fast. That is great! I'll have to have a custom intake made then with injector bungs on it right? Sorry if this is a stupid question i don't know a whole lot about Efi. I guess I'll have to give fast and rad rides phone calls and do some brain picking. It's too bad this engine is dry sump, unless I redo the whole oiling system and put my tank in the trunk I can only fit one big turbo under the hood instead of twins. The intercooler is also going to be hard to fit in there, I'll get it figured out though. SDG Motorsports Hellcat Demon and Redeye Supercharger CNC Porting https://www.sdgmotorsports.com/

Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: DemonDust] #1299180 09/09/12 09:29 PM 09/09/12 09:29 PM
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joshking440 Lunch is on me! J Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,590 Indy	I wouldnt let Steve Morris build me a lawn mower engine. He is as crooked as they come.....and I mean to the max crooked!!!!! And as usual....he is a man of God

Re: Turbo Build for the duster info please [Re: joshking440] #1299181 09/09/12 09:34 PM 09/09/12 09:34 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,207 Menomonee Falls DemonDust OP master
DemonDust OP master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,207 Menomonee Falls	Quote: I wouldnt let Steve Morris build me a lawn mower engine. He is as crooked as they come.....and I mean to the max crooked!!!!! And as usual....he is a man of God That's good to know, I build all my own engines, so i will only use him for information or parts. SDG Motorsports Hellcat Demon and Redeye Supercharger CNC Porting https://www.sdgmotorsports.com/

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